Seascout-Net Mail Archive for August of 1999: Re: ACQUIRING LARGE BOATS
Re: ACQUIRING LARGE BOATS
Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:08:48 -0700
Can I relate to your message at several levels. First, how unfortunate the
trend your described by the state of Florida charging up to 25% of the
*original acquisition cost* as a service fee for transferring military
decommissioned vessels. This trend is also affecting our San Francisco Bay
future prospects to replace many of our aging training boats or to acquire
boats along the scale we currently enjoy. There is also the trend of other
"non-profit" organizations (i.e., homeless shelters, drug abuse programs)
that have expanded their donation revenue stream to include "boats." The
net result is we are going to have to engage in creative "refits" to
maintain what we have and expand our "one large boat" training boat options
from other sources than the military.
Next, I see value in many different types of Sea Scout training programs.
It's great to cruise together on one boat. It's also good training to
cruise on three to five small boats. One possible solution is to acquire a
"Squadron" boat (say in the 50 to 70 foot range) capable of cruising 12 to
15 personnel. Individual units maintain their immediate smaller training
boats and jointly, on a rotational basis, maintain the Squadron vessel.
This means sharing the operational costs by a collective of units thereby
making the acquisition and operation of the vessel quite possible. This
practice has already been in place for some Squadrons.
Last, you trained aboard the M/V MANATRA II, the former USCGC McLane, one of
the very old 125'ers. Man do I like those "buck and a quarter class" boats.
I trained with the Sea Scout Cutter Morris (ex-USCG Morris 125') in the
mid-1970s. My most memorable Sea Scout cruise was in the summer of 1978.
We took the Morris for a six week cruise from San Francisco to Alaska and
return. We issued a lot of long cruise stripes after that summer cruise! A
vessel of that scale deserves "Squadron" or "Area" status for combined unit
training cruises. The Morris is currently being refitted and will likely
serve in just such a status. Is the Manatra II still active?
Yours in smooth sailing,
Pacific Skyline Squadron
From: J Land <email@example.com>
To: firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com>
Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:01 PM
Subject: ACQUIRING LARGE BOATS
>The men and women of SSS 654 (joint chartered Sea Scout / Sea Cadet unit)
>are looking for a large vessel, preferably former military, in the 55 foot
>or better category, capable of sleeping a crew of up to 12. We had the
>YP-660 until October of last year; however, she was sold by the foundation
>who owned her. Since that sale, we have looked for a new Flagship to call
>I have searched the DRMO site on a weekly basis, knowing that Special
>Education Activities (SEAs) like BSA, Sea Cadets, etc. NO LONGER HAVE
>ACCESS TO DRMO. The State of Florida Federal Reutilization program is able
>to acquire property, including vessels, from DRMO for state use. In turn,
>they are made available to authorized users (including SEAs). The catch
>they charge up to 25% of the *original acquisition cost* as a service fee
>upon transfer to the gaining organization. What was once completely free
>(from DRMO), now can cost in the thousands (from FL).
>So, how do you do it? I'm very envious of the large vessel fleet that I
>homeported in California. Are there comparable vessels here on the east
>coast? What's the secret to making this work? We have the strong backing
>of our Congresswoman, who even went to the USCG about a Point Class cutter
>(no dice, due to PCBs, says the EPA, so Slick Wi...oops, our Commander in
>Chief, is giving them away to small countries to be part of their Navies).
>Even if I found something in DRMO (there's a 56 foot dive boat...original
>acquisition $105K...that means the Great State of Florida wants at least
>$10K in "handling charges" through the reutilization system), it's well
>beyond the means of most volunteer-driven groups.
>As a young man, I was fortunate to train aboard the M/V MANATRA II, the
>former USCGC McLane, one of the very old 125'ers. I'd never trade in my
>sea-going experiences on a SHIP for putting around on an 18' run-about. I
>just can't seem to figure out how to provide those same experiences to the
>young men and women of our program today.
>Joseph M. Land, Sr., LCDR, NSCC
>Skipper, SSS 654
>Cedar Key, FL
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