Re: Listowner: Membership standards
Jack Durish (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Thu May 14 09:01:45 1998
As an individual, I have no voice at the national level of Boy Scouting.
Furthermore, I do not believe the national leaders of Boy Scouting are
being forced by the same economic pressures to address this issue as we
are. Therefore, I have addressed this issue for the sake of determining
if we as a group could affect the national leadership.
The diccussion is a necessary rehashing of a major issue for all of us
and it is not going to go away by ignoring it. A few months ago, it was
over the horizon. Now it is a wave rushing towards our shores and it is
approaching from the west where we in California stand to take the first
hit. Forgive me for pressing on.
Personally, I have not sensed any hostility in this discourse. I am
pleased, knowing that I am addressing strongly held beliefs, that no one
has attempted to villify me or my thoughts. I am proud that Sea Scouters
who strongly believe in the immorality of homosexuality have not tried
to dismiss my comments by dismissing me through the use of epitaths.
If you have received private correspondence complaining of this
discussion or those who advocate unpopular views, I am not aware.
However, I would submit that anyone who disparages me or my views
privately is unworthy of consideration.
Buccaneers - SSS 935
Orange County, CA
Bruce C Johnson wrote:
> Fellow Sea Scouters:
> I have stayed out of this discussion up until now, but feel that
> probably now is the time to wade in. (Yes, I know the saying, "Fools rush
> in ...") The question of BSA's policy vis-a-vis membership standards is a
> very difficult one that is being wrestled with at quite a number of levels
> within our organization. The recent decision to split the Exploring
> program in August and move Sea Exploring into the new Venturing decision
> has been an attempt on BSA's part to deal with the issue while trying to
> remain true to our underlying principles. As has been borne out in the
> discussion here, while this action has addressed some of the problem, it
> clearly has not solved it for everyone.
> It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that there are a variety of
> ways of looking at this issue and, depending on your perspective, what the
> 'real' issues are and the likely appropriate solutions might be vary widely
> from person to person and place to place. I personally have a very strong
> opinion about what BSA ought to be doing concerning membership standards
> and am pursuing my views through appropriate BSA structures. I'm sure the
> same holds true for many of you.
> It is unfortunately true that Seascout-Net is NOT where this issue is
> going to be resolved. As has been pointed out to me several times over the
> last few days, this thread has been repeatedly discussed on this list and
> others, always without resolution. Nevertheless, I have been willing to
> see it go since (a) the Berkeley slip issue is directly relevant to many
> Ships and needed discussing, and (b) the discussion was reasonably civil
> and breaking some new ground.
> Well, given the tenor of several of the messages over the past 24 hours,
> we have crossed the line on two of my measures of whether discussion is
> worthwhile: (1) discourse must be civil and respectful (remember the Scout
> Laws: "friendly," "courteous," "cheerful"); (2) the discussion should not
> be repeating itself. We're at a point in this discussion where some of the
> messages are getting pretty hostile, and people are writing to me offlist
> complaining about subject matter.
> Consequently, I must ask that we close out this discussion of BSA
> membership standards and particularly, atheism and homosexuals in Scouting.
> This is a discussion group about Sea Scouting. Let's bring our attention
> back to that. I for one would like to hear how everyone's long cruise
> planning is coming for this Summer.
> I'm sorry to have to step in this way, but let's get back to basics.
> Thanks for your support of our young adults.
> Bruce Johnson & Bill James
> Listowners, Seascout-Net
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