John R. Knotts, Jr. (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Wed May 13 15:44:17 1998
This is not meant to enter into the previous discussion, but directed at you
initial comments. Although I'm new to scouting, I believe any adult involved
in scouting should consider themselves a role model. Whether you think your
scouts plan to emulate you or not, you should always attempt to act as if they
do. Recognizing your perceived problems is your first step to correcting it.
I'm not one to say how you look sets the example-I personally believe it's how
you act and what you do with what you're given. I say be the role model to the
scouts and strive to set an example of someone dedicated to rise above physical
limitations and to become a better person. That's what scouting is all about.
I've supervised many adult troops who choose to, or not to follow in my
footsteps. These are adults, kids are more susceptible to the influences of
their surroundings and thus follow the examples of those they most admire.
Doing the right things and living by values which are respectable and honest
set you apart from others. Values however are an individual attribute which is
influenced by culture-it's best to remember the culture that is provided in
scouting and whether it's best for all involved.
SSgt John R. Knotts
United States Air Force
From: SES207 [SMTP:SES207@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 8:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: SPONSOR
You make and articulate one of the better points of this discussion. I am
personally torn by my belief that homosexuality is immoral; therefore, I do
not believe it fits with the Scout Oath. At the same time, I am overweight
(confession time?) and am not a great example of "physically strong." As un-
proud as I am of my size, however, I do not believe these to be equal in their
influence on youth. I have 43 years in Scouting and have NOT found my Scouts
eager to grow up to <look> like me! (I hope I have had some good influences in
other areas, however.)
Scouts (Sea Scouts included) are subjected to those who have different values
wherever they go. Yes, in and outside school, they are exposed to all kinds of
"alternative" life styles (a term I personally do not care for) .But I do not
believe this should mean that BSA should not have standards for membership. It
is my personal belief that these "standards" have been <very> instrumental in
Scouting having enjoying the reputation it has in this country since 1910.
So we're in a dilemma, I believe, and I don't know how to resolve it. I'm not
sure an open-door policy is best. Maybe I'll be convinced by someone wiser and
more open-minded, although I personally try to see things like this from
anyone and everyone's perspective.
Thanks for your thought-provoking input. I hope we can continue dialogue on
this issue which does not appear to me, at least, to have an all-round
acceptable solution. As long as we respect each other's right to an opinion,
this discussion need not get ugly!
R. Carroll Sasser
Chairman, Ship 207 Committee
In a message dated 98-05-13 10:50:54 EDT, email@example.com (Jack Durish)
> I agree that the sponsor should have the right of deciding issues of
> membership. Indeed, within the chartering agreement they accept
> responsibility for checking the credentials of adult leaders to make
> certain that they are morally fit. However, Scouting Central has taken
> it upon itself to step in an override the decision of the Chartering
> organization when they find an adult leader who does not meet "their
> moral standards." Therein lies the rub.
> We need to make certain that the children in our care are safe. They
> should not be exposed to anyone's sexual philosophy - hetero- or homo-.
> They should not be subjected to anyone else's religious philosophy.
> These are family values... to be taught in the family.
> I am simply asking for that right. To protect the children.
> Discriminating against gays and people with religious views other than
> my own (or your own) does not serve that purpose.
> I am pushing this issue because we, as Sea Scouters, are the first to
> feel the consequences of the BSA's discriminatory practices. Pack and
> Troop leaders can dodge the issue by stowing a few tents in their attic
> and meeting in church halls and other private facilities. We have far
> greater expenses and require greater community support.
> Yes, I would love to return to those wonderful, anarchic days of yore
> and spurn all governmental support. Within the shores of my native
> Chesapeake Bay I could find a quiet cove with a cheap marina to shelter
> our vessel. But, have you looked at an atlas of the California coast
> lately? There are only two natural harbors; San Diego and San Francisco.
> Dana Point Harbor, Oceanside Harbor, and so many more - even the world
> famous harbors of Long Beach and Los Angeles were created by laying
> breakwaters across bights in the coast line. This was accomplished using
> public funds and the public determines who enjoys these facilities. And,
> the public has determined that the Boy Scouts will not enjoy any special
> advantage so long as they engage in discriminatory practices.
> This issue is being laid in our laps first, and we Sea Scouters need to
> take the lead or we will follow the Boy Scouts to oblivion.
> Jack Durish
> Buccaneers - SSS 935
> Orange County, California