Re: An American and a Sea Scout and Proud
Marc Scimonelli (email@example.com)
Sun May 10 03:34:48 1998
>After being away for a few days, I came back to find that my daughter
>had jumped into the fray. After reviewing her comments and yours, I
>a few of my own:
>To Kaili: I am exceedingly proud of you as always. The courage you
>frequently demonstrated at sea, you demonstrate in the face of
Aside from my rather contradictory statement the other night, those who
pay attention to where I stand on all the issues of late know that I say
with a sigh of relief "thank the maker I am not alone." I too want to
thank Kaili for supporting something against the institution.
>To the person who thinks America is morally bankrupt: Baloney. America
>was founded on a set of moral principles, drafted by men who were
>incapable of living up to them but who dreamed that their children
>would. Slowly, like continental drift sometimes, we have followed the
>beacons they lit. Agonizingly slowly we have gained one after another.
>Slavery has fallen. Womens sufferage has triumphed. Immigrant
>populations have been absorbed.
Were we to look at society's moral's then, yes, I would say we are
bankrupt on those grounds...but as with society, our moral's have
changed, something I will touch on a bit later.
>There are many more beacons on the horizon for us to steer towards.
>Chief among them is the elimination of bigotry and ignorance. With this
>goal attained, we will happily find many other goals falling into
>No, we are not morally bankrupt. Our forefathers opened the moral bank
>account over two hundred years ago and we've been making deposits ever
I personally think (even though it is arguable by our standards that
some of the things our fore-fathers did were morally corrupt, time frame
does matter) that George Washington and the lot would be proud of how
far we have come just in the last few decades.
>To the one who says "there are rules to follow": You bet there are! The
>one that seems to be giving us trouble here is "...to be morally
>I know many of you find it frightening to approach a dissenting
>but please bear with me... I'll be gentle.
>You who persecute homosexuals as though they were devils should read "A
>Man for All Season" ... or rent the movie. Like Sir Thomas Moore, I
>warn you that if you "cut down all the laws in pursuit of the devil,
>what will protect you when the devil turns 'round about." I think
>Scouting is learning this lesson the hard way.
>In pursuit of homosexuals, you are breaking rules... rules of decency
>and laws against hatred and discrimination. As a result, you are
>it difficult to stand in the winds that blow against you. Communities
>turn against you. Courts rule against you. To paraphrase another
>"you are reaping the whirlwind."
>Please, try a little experiment. The next time you pray, do it quietly.
>You may find that instead of thundering from the pulpit, God whispers
>your heart. Listen carefully and you will learn that teaching
>intolerance of any type is not His wish.
In an American Government debate while I was in my Sophomore year of
high school, we were arguing morals and their effect on laws. I opened
my side of the debate (saying that laws were made to be changed) by
defining a law as "The legal representation of what society sees as
morally correct." And in that definition lies the key. What society
sees. What society sees changes as the years go by, and with that, so
does societies morals. Were it not for that, we would still have slaves,
women's places would still be (and please excuse this, I mean no harm or
ill feelings, I'm just trying to use as archaic a term as I can) in the
kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. Children would be getting married and
starting familes at 13 and 14, and the Rockefellers would rule
everything. But as Mr.Durish has said, we have come through this. Now
Bill Gates rules everything, Women outnumber men in the work force (I
saw that in some magazine somewhere, so please don't ask for
references), slavery is gone, "equal opportunity" is as common a phrase
as "play ball," and states are legalizing homosexual mariages.
Unfortunately, the KKK still lives, Black Panthers fight it with their
own racism, and the fighting in Ireland is only now starting to end.
I challenge the majority of the people (at least the majority I have
seen) view of what is immoral. It seems, and please feel free to correct
me if I am wrong, that you see immoral people as those who's beliefs
aren't the same as yours.
Now I will say what I wanted to say all along.
Jack The Ripper, John Wayne Gacey, The Red Ripper, The Unabomber,
Timothy MicVeigh, The Dusseldorf Vampire, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, Son
of Sam, The Acid Bath Murderer, Jeffery Dohmer...some of the most
notorious serial killers of all time (and one of them a pedophiliac
serial killer) all come from what this net (or the majority at least)
would see as a morally striaght background and (aside from the all the
killing and insanity involved) lifestyle. Some of them were even
hysterically religious. I do not know the exact number aside from the
fact that there has never been a female serial killer (so women, you're
safe). I am in search of the exact percentages on not only that, but
serial rapists and pedophiliacs as well. It kinda makes you wonder if
one of us, even me could be the next Boston Strangler (I know that will
rile some people, but it's not an accusation or saying any of you are
immoral or even would think of anything, but you look at the facts, and
it's scary). As with the laws that everybody abides by being changed by
what is seen as morally correct, maybe it's time everyone here
re-evaluate what we see as morally correct. And maybe it's time we all
think about how much religion and sexuality have to do with morality
than morality does. I may not be the most religious person on earth, but
I have good morals. I live a good life, and I do what I feel is right. I
do what God says in my heart is right. That's all these people are doing
(save the atheists because they believe there is no God) but even they
do what they feel is right. If it is wrong, they are punished in the
same fashion any of us would be. They bleed the same blood, on the same
earth, for the same things we do. It does not matter if they choose to
sleep with someone of the same sex, or even if they choose to sleep with
someone of a different species. Personal life does not matter, and it
should not have to be kept away in some closet in order to be a part of
something you (or anyone) wants to be a part of.
I recall a conversation with my Skipper in which he spoke of being in
charge of a scout troop in Florida. He mentioned after several people
asked about who they should bring that he said the same thing to the
scouts in florida when they asked if it was okay to bring black people
to meetings (from that I gather that their former Scout leader didn't
approve of having people of a different race in his troop) but my
Skipper said "I don't care who you bring as long as they want to be a
Scout." he said it to me 4 years ago, and so i didn't care, as long as
they were a Scout, the friends they brought just wanted to be a Scout.
And so on down the line. Everyone who come in wants to be there for some
reason or another. Some like the social aspect (I'll admit, I do, it's
one of the greatest perks, I have met some of my best friends through
Scouts), some want to sail, some just want to feel like part of a group.
Tall, thin, black, white, male, female, whatever, it's all the same when
you're a Scout. It's time (at least I think) to start realizing that.
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