RE: Changes in Exploring -Reply
Peter Vincent (Peter.Vincent@seagatesoftware.com)
You make an excellent point, I also think that these are the very
issues that we need to address. If we consider only the "what are we
going to do now", we will surely miss the boat.
Skipper "S.E.S Reliant"
Pismo Beach, CA
>From: David Minasian [SMTP:firstname.lastname@example.org]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 9:34 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Re: Changes in Exploring -Reply
> Indeed sound advice is in order but when that advice conflicts with
>what is, in my view, fundamental issues, then I cannot, with all
>respect, remain silent. The two "G" issues (God and Gays) as you put it
>are worthy of discussion.
> I have been extremely proud of the willingness of the BSA to stand
>strong on the "belief" requirement against those who would be happy to
>see God removed from every facet of American life. If building character
>in youth is a worthy objective of the movement, who can deny that faith
>is not a vital part of that effort? Is it to be removed from the Scout
>Oath & Law? Are we to be prohibited from the very mention of God? How
>far can it go if our great institutions cave in to a small minority, who
>by the way, ignore the Constitution of the United Staes which states
>that the government (congress) shall make no law prohibiting the free
>excercise of religion.
> Your advice # 1 states "...focus our comments on things we can do
>something about." I hope we have not reached that point in the history
>of this great movement where we cannot do something about it.
>Collectively, we ARE the movement.
> The Gay issue has more serious implications. Picture this Headline:
> "ACLU forces BSA to Accept Homosexual Scout Leaders" Do you think
>that would have a nationwide impact on membership?
> Or picture this scene:
> A young (straight) boy, or it could be an adult leader, applies for
>membership in the Girls Scouts.
> SCOUT LEADER: "Why do you want to join the Girl Scouts?"
> BOY or ADULT: "It would be fun to go camping with young girls;
>to have access to their toilets and even their showers."
> [You can fill in the rest of the conversation] The leader replies...
> SCOUT LEADER: "Based on certain laws of the country I cannot deny
> your application because of your sexual orientation."
> If it is true that gays are females in a males body and have all the
>appetites of women then you can see how totally bizarre this change in
>BSA policy could be.
> Homosexuality is not new, having been around since the dawn of history.
>But just because it is now in the open, does not mean that we should
>abondon fundamental values and be willing to accept the consequences of
>the admission of gays, be they adults or youth, into the program.
> If BSA has sustained extraordinary legal expenses in defense of its ban
>on gays, can you imagine the expense that it will incur when child
>molestation cases crop up, after having approved gays in its program.
> I understand your motivations for the advice you offered. True, there
>are perhaps more pressing current matters to address given the time
>frame of these latest chngges. Over the long haul however, these issues
>must be discussed and addressed. The members at large will ultimately
>have to decide the national BSA policy. As stated before, we ARE the
>David T. Minasian
>Passaic Valley Council