scouts-l Mail Archive for August of 2000: FW: BSA in the News
EXT-Reed, Randall C (Randy.Reed@HSV.BOEING.COM
Wed Aug 30 2000 - 08:44:33 CDT
> Since you elected to make an off-line exchange public, I think it only
> fair, Rich, that the enitre exchange be prsented:
> Randall C. Reed
> Scoutmaster, Troop 543
> Sanford, Florida
> Central Florida Council
> "...I used to be a Buffalo..."
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich [SMTP:email@example.com]
> Subject: Re: BSA in the News
> OK, I'll admit it - you've got me revved up here :-)
> [Randall C. Reed] Why are you so "revved up" about someone
> expressing a position on an issue that clearly has two sides to it? I do
> not think my comments misstated BSA's position one iota.
> ><snip>< are not subject to the
> > assumption of total guilt until proven innocent, as we appear to
> be doing
> > with our homosexual brethren. Which then begs the question of
> > boys who discover they are gay, but have never dared to act out on
> > orientation: We brand them as unfit to be a part of BSA because
> they even
> > dare to think about it, much less to act on it.
> I would be very interested in knowing when and how
> adolescent boys discover they are gay.
> [Randall C. Reed] Some people are acutely aware that they are
> "different" before they even enter grade school. Both homosexual and
> heterosexual adolescents experience "crushes" and fantasies that delineate
> their sexual orientation long before they ever have an opportunity to "act
> out" on their feelings and emotions. When and how did you discover that
> you "liked girls"? I am absolutely astounded that you would even ask the
> question. Unless you belong to the school of thought that espouses the
> belief that sexual orientation is a conscious "choice" that one makes and
> that people choose to be either hetero- or homo- oriented. (or left-handed
> or right-handed, or shy or outgoing or a stutterer or non-stutterer or
> color blind or not, etc.)
> If that's the case, then please don't bother me with any more dialogue,
> because your understanding of the biology and psychology of gender
> assignment and gender-role differentiation is apparently skewed by some
> other kind of religious/political/homophobic agenda.
> I would be even more interested in one documented case (or
> even an Internet Urban Legend) where a youth member, who
> "never dared act out on their orientation" was dismissed
> from the BSA or "branded as unfit" by the BSA.
> [Randall C. Reed] I never implied that these boys were "dismissed"
> from BSA. But if you were gay and in Scouts and were witness to all that
> has been said and written about this issue, what would you conclude? How
> would you feel? And what would all of this do to your self-esteem and
> self-worth? If you were gay, would you feel like you were a legitimate
> part of BSA or would you entertain the notion that you had to keep a
> secret and live a lie in order to remain part of this organization? What
> kind of "documentation" do you need, other than a summary of BSA's
> position in their Supreme Court brief? It is clear that their whole
> defense was based on the presumption of "unfit"-ness. Again, why in the
> world would you even ask a question like that? BSA makes no attempt to
> differentiate an "orientation" from a "behavior". At least Brother Jerry
> Fallwell hates the sin but loves the sinner. Apparently, BSA's executives
> are not quite so charitable. Good bye.