scouts-l Mail Archive for August of 2000: Re: Unitarian / Liberal Scouting Listserv
Rick Seymour (Rick@KUDU.NET
Tue Aug 22 2000 - 23:46:43 CDT
On 8/21/00 at 10:24 AM rlazell wrote:
> I found that post to be one of the most
> offensive mean-spirited posts I've ever read on this list!
My post was intended to be humorous, sort of a "You Might be a Redneck" for
liberals. The only problem with "dangerous" edge-humor is that it is, um,
I would agree with Ted Burton that "When two people fail to communicate,
generally speaking, both people are responsible."
I admit to being grossly inarticulate, if being articulate is measured by
the effectiveness of my attempts at communication.
> I believe the exclusionary spirit of that invitation to join a
> "liberal" list is anathema to what we do here, and in all
> of Scouting.
I would think that most Scouts-L members would at least pretend to be in
favor of shifting unwanted liberal "bandwidth" to another forum.
>...myopically views people as being automatically "pompous"
> based on what they perceive are their "conservative views".
The <pompous> tag specifically described the conservative practice of
taunting children excluded from Scouting by adding the insult of
representing "victimhood" to the injury of discrimination.
Automatically branding all conservatives with one adjective? Not me!
Indeed, anyone involved with Scouting in the United States has as many
shades of meaning for "conservative" to choose from as Eskimos have words
for "snow." After all, what else is there to talk about?
> Let me state for the record that this Scouts-L
> free-thinker with a big mouth has never (NEVER!) felt any
> pressure from Texas, or any other state, Country, Territory,
> Principality or Duchy regarding my very active participation
> on Scouts-L .
That is merely a temporary oversight.
> Yes, there are values in the Scouting program that many
> in this country for purely political purposes, wish
> associated with one political point of view, but, I'm sorry
> my friend but Scouting values belong to no one.
I'm sorry my friend, but Scouting (tm) Values (patent pending) in the
United States belong to the BSA.
This monopoly is subject to a seldom-talked-about yearly review by
Congress, but presently this important fact flies under the radar of all
liberals and Unitarians.
> Finally, just what good will a chorus of voices that agree do for
A chorus of voices that agree? Obviously you have never been to a UUA
meeting or a Democratic Convention.
If anyone deserves an apology, BTW, it is the UU-Scouting List. In no way
did the abrasive tone of my humor represent their positive point of view.
Traffic on the UU-Scouting List has to do with everyday practical concerns
of parents in liberal religions. For instance, what do you tell your
children when they notice that their religious award has been removed from
the BSA Handbook? How do you steer an adolescent's atheism toward later
spiritual awakening? What do you do when your son discovers that he is gay
but still loves Scouting?
Parents who bring up these common problems on Scouts-L will be subjected to
poison Emails reminding them that their concerns for their loved ones are
"Issues" and that "Issues" are relegated to that special Circle of Hell
called rec.scouting.issues. They will also receive threatening Emails
reminding them that the Introductory Email specifically forbids discussion
of the "3Gs."
I often hear Scouters here talk against the "Balkanization" of American
Scouting. I would suspect that the children of these Scouters are not
forbidden by the BSA to wear their religious emblems on their Uniforms.
Balkanization is just a fancy word for competition, and the parents of
children excluded from Scouting are in sore need of Scouting alternatives
to the BSA.
> Being pompous is by definition a viewpoint "characterized
> by excessive self-esteem," well my friends, that invitation
> to a "liberal" Scouts list is about as pompous as one can
> get in my book.
It is true that to post a minority opinion on Scouts-L you must have
considerable self-esteem. Most liberals will probably be more comfortable
discussing sensitive issues in a more supportive environment.
They should quietly visit:
Select "uu-scouting" from the mailing list "Pull-Down Menu" (there are many
different lists offered at this location).
There is a surprising amount of traffic in this relaxed environment, so you
may want to select the "Digest" option once your are subscribed.
Yours in Scouting,