scouts-l Mail Archive for August of 2000: Re: Hiring Professionals
Settummanque, the blackeagle ((MAJ) Mike L. Walton) (blkeagle@USSCOUTS.ORG
Tue Aug 15 2000 - 18:53:19 CDT
>Jim Peterson wrote in part:
> Interesting that we are discussing this topic right now, as our
>D.E. (U.S.E.) just announced his resignation this week. I haven't had
>a chance to talk to him in person, so I don't know the exact reasons
>for his leaving, but this is a young man (25) who has been involved in
>Scouting since he was a second-grade Wolf Cub Scout. He has earned the
>Arrow of Light and Eagle.... The volunteers in the District have been very
>pleased with his work. Just a couple months ago we were talking, in a
>group, and he commented that he wouldn't be around much longer because
>BSA would be wanting him to move to another Council. At that time he
>seemed fully intentioned to make Professional Scouting his life's
>work. Now, suddenly, he is leaving for a position outside of Scouting.
>There's something wrong with the system.
No. The professional didn't pay attention when his supervisor told him that
this was an "entry-level position" that he was occupying. In the BSA, like
the military, professional members must move aroundn basically every three
to five years in order to stay competitive, to move out of "entry-level"
positions, and for career enhancement and advancement.
Those professionals whom do not want to leave have two choices basically:
they can stay at the Council (if the Council has the vacancies in ANOTHER
"entry-level" District within their Council) or take another position with
the same or very little increase of pay in that same Council.
Nothing wrong with "the system" from that standpoint, Jim...while stability
may be good for teachers and some others, you have to move upward in order
to advance...and that requires movement.
(example: that's why I'm here in Crystal City with the Army instead of back
at the Twin Cities. It's not a Scouting example, but it comes pretty
> Yesterday there was an ad in the Help Wanted section for an "Entry
>Level Executive Position" The ad reads "Non profit organization has
>immediate opening in the Marshfield area. 4 year degree required.
>Responsibilities include: sales, public relations, fundraising,
>service. Excellent starting salary, benefits & job flexibility. Great
>opportunity to join an organization that promotes physical fitness &
>the great outdoors."
Sounds like a standard ad for an entry-level professional, Jim. Councils
frequently ad out their entry-level positions so that they have more than
one or two candidates through the BSA "pipeline".
>Now that may be some other non-profit organization, but I really don't
>think so. In fact, since I'm not currently employed, I'm thinking
>about sending in my resume just to see if it really is our Council's
You should send in your resume anyway, Jim....chances are, you could be the
next DE of your District!! *smiling*
> >The problem I have, assuming that it is Samoset Council, is why
>don't they say who they are in the ad? Every other ad in the
>"Administrative/Professional" section of the paper includes the name
>of the company/organization advertising (the United Way even has an ad
>right above ours.) So, why the secrecy? Is this ad misleading
>(especially the salary part)?
The BSA has a firm policy about advertising their positions and encourage
their professionals not to refer to themselves as "BSA professionals" when
engaged in introductory conversations. "We don't trade on our name", is
the reason why. So professionals are always referring to themselves as
"non-profit agency managers" or "directors" instead of "District Executives
for the Boy Scouts"....when INITIALLY TALKING with people other than leads
Only after the conversation goes onward, then usually it's "okay" to talk
about the fact that "I work with the Scouts".
I would apply, Jim....it sounds like a great opportunity....
....if you are ready to move onward to another Council in a few years.
(MAJ) Mike L.Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
Crystal City, Virginia