scouts-l Mail Archive for August of 2000: Re: Trash and spam
John Yantis (jtyantis@TICNET.COM
Sat Aug 05 2000 - 18:03:45 CDT
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 05:28:01, Rik Bergethon posted to SCOUTS-L:
>Thank you, Jay ,for pointing it out about the spam I, too, received.
>Maybe the list owner should kick this guy off the list.
Maybe the sender isnt *on* the list. This is a good-news, bad-news
situation: there are Archives of SCOUTS-L available on the web for
those of us who need to refresh our memories, or to research a topic.
Unfortunately, all a spammer has to do is to grab one or more of the
monthly archive files from the web site (and anyone who has web access
can do that) and then glean all the e-mail addresses it contains (there
are even automated programs available to do this task!). This might
explain why the only people who seem to have received the objectionable
message are the ones who have posted a lot lately (I haven't done so,
and I didn't receive the message).
>You might pass on to all of us, how to find the real address of these
>bulk spammers, so we can report them to our ISP's to block them in the
Most real, professional spammers don't use valid return addresses, and
tracking them down via the information contained in message headers is a
fairly involved task. Unless you want to spend a lot of time learning
how to do this, my recommendation would be to make sure you can display
the entire header for an objectionable e-mail, then forward it to the
abuse department of your ISP (most reputable ISPs have a standard e-mail
box named "abuse", so, in my case, I'd use the address
"abuse@Ticnet.com"). The folks that run your ISP don't want spammers
clogging up their bandwidth, or their server storage, so they are very
motivated to do what it takes to get the spammer shut down. But, to
respond to your request, you might try the Sam Spade site
(http://samspade.org/t/) for the tools to dig out InterNet addresses.
What I'd highly recommend that you NOT do, is to attempt some sort of
vengeance, such as sending 1,000 copies of the message back to what you
think is the sender -- that makes you as guilty as he is, and I'd bet a
lot of money that it violates the Terms of Service (TOS) for your ISP.
Your access can be terminated ("TOSsed") if someone brings your action
to the attention of your ISP...
>Dennis Calaway, of Cub Scout Pack 102, Valley View, Arkansas, be on
>notice, we don't like this one bit!
I saw the SCOUTS-L postings that showed the trace from the offending
message back to a domain that could be linked to this individual, but
that's not good enough evidence for me to join in the denunciation.
See, spammers also have the ability to send out junk with someone else's
return address on it. I'm not defending this person, merely pointing
out that he is innocent until proven guilty, and the proof so far hasn't
been beyond the shadow of a doubt.
>In fact, this message has floated around the internet for years, with
>just a few modifications, now that Hillary is running for senate.
I'm pretty sure I've seen the message in question, too. For those who
think that because it isn't Unsolicited Commercial E-mail (UCE), it
isn't really "spam", check out the authoritative definition of the term
Now can we get back to discussing Scouting?
Yours in the Spirit of Scouting,
Tonkawa District Boy Scout Roundtable Commissioner
Scoutmaster Emeritus, Troop 123
Longhorn Council (Ft. Worth, TX)