scouts-l Mail Archive for July of 2000: Re: Intro & a dilemma
Paul S. Wolf (Paul.S.Wolf@ALUM.WPI.EDU
Fri Jul 21 2000 - 11:56:25 CDT
Joan Clancy-Flynn wrote:
> My question: there is a boy in our troop who is up for Life
> Advancement. He used a Den Chief position for Star Advancement.
Which is perfectly acceptable.
> This position was held outside of the pack associated with our troop,
> and there are only 3 active Cub Scouters in this pack each year. (the
> minimum sign up for charter requirements, but 3 are active)
That's irrelevant. The position of Den Chief with ANY Pack is always
> Is he able to use the same position for his Life Advancement, and then
> again for Eagle? Not the same time period, but the same position.
YES. There is NOTHING which prohibits that. (It isn't desirable, but
is permissable.) In fact any of the listed Troop positions can be used
for any of the advancements, except bugler, which can not be used for
the Eagle requirement, but can be used for Star and Life.
> Or does he need to hold a different position?
> He was not elected to a troop position by the boys, yet we feel that
> growing in leadership means taking on greater leadership positions.
The positions described in the requirement (Star 5, Life 5, and Eagle 4)
are POSITIONS OF RESPONSIBILITY not positions of LEADERSHIP. The
purpose is to show that he can take on responsibilities and carry out
those responsibilities. The actual requirement in each case begins,
"While a _____ Scout, serve actively for a period of __ months
in one or more of the following positions of responsibility:"
Note that it does NOT say "Leadership".
The only point where LEADERSHIP is required is as part of the Eagle
Service Project requirement, which begins,
"While a Life Scout, plan, develop, and give leadership to
others in a service project ..."
Also, in many Troops, only the SPL and PL are elected by the entire
troop or patrol. All others are appointed positions.
> The Scoutmaster has been creating and appointing leadership positions
> to those boys not elected to a position to fulfill their rank
As he (in consultation with the SPL) should be doing.
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly apprieciated! Thank
> Joan Clancy-Flynn
Paul S. Wolf, PE mailto:Paul.S.Wolf@alum.wpi.edu
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