scouts-l Mail Archive for July of 2000: Re: BSA vs NRA certification
Wendell Brown (wbrown@ARKIE.NET
Mon Jul 17 2000 - 08:46:50 CDT
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:44:00 -0400, Bob Rosebrough GBL B-200 wrote:
>A so-called BSA Certified Rifle Instructor is in fact an NRA Certified
>Instructor. There is no difference as the course material is supplied by
Not really, the NRA course is a subset of the total National Camp
School certification program. A standard NRA course does not even
touch on camp accreditation or any of the BSA's additional requirements
(a two volume set). NCS attendees have the option of applying for NRA
certification but it is not needed for any BSA shooting sports
requirement. NRA instructors are granted reciprocal privileges by some
councils for some programs.
>There is an almost apoplectic need by the BSA to distant itself from the
>NRA. This is why the NCS graduate is called a BSA Certified Instructor.
>NCS satisfies a need for councils to staff their shooting sports programs
>in as rapid a method as possible. In no way can a one-week "shake and
>bake" in rifle, shotgun and blackpowder produce instructors with the
>quality attained by courses taken over many weeks as I have.
Apparently, the NRA and the BSA disagree with you.
>rationalize this dichotomy by saying that summer camp is their program as
>opposed to shooting programs that occur the rest of the year and belong
>to us volunteers.
Councils, want NCS people because of the additional BSA material
presented at camp school and BSA national policy requirements. It
isn't a slight against NRA instructors it is primarily liability
issues. Don't forget that NCS certifications expire every 5 years but
NRA instructors do not have to have refresher courses (to get updated
info) as long as they keep there cert current (ie. pay the yearly
>One of my favorite experiences was "certifying" camp counselors as BB gun
>instructors one week and then being told by the same counselors one week
>later that only they, as "Certified BB Gun Instructors", could supervise
>the range, nut not me. Lets see, I can supervise a BSA rifle merit badge
>program, using the BB gun option, but not a Cub program that is run by
>someone I train.
I have to agree with you here, however, I have checked the regs and I
haven't found a place that says one way or the other what the official
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