scouts-l Mail Archive for July of 2000: Re: Clarification requested on BB/Archery certification 2 of 2
Wendell Brown (wbrown@ARKIE.NET
Sun Jul 16 2000 - 17:36:06 CDT
On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:12:10 -0500, Marjorie Whitmore wrote:
Continued from previous message....
>(c) non-certified parents should not be asked [or made] to go run archery
>for a couple of hours at a district event,
Absolutely. The range director CAN ask for assistance on the line from
non-certified adults but a certified person MUST be on the range at any
time it is open (the guns / bows are supposed to be LOCKED up if the
range director is not at the range - even to go to the bathroom. It
would PROBABLY be acceptable to ask an adult to keep everyone off the
range for a short period of time if the range director is not on the
range but it isn't recommended).
>even if their pack has been
>assigned that time slot, even if the person intimidating them into running
>archery can't find anyone else from that pack, and even if there is a long
>line of kids.
He can ask for assistance (one certified person can supposedly monitor
8 lanes but it helps to have more eyes) but he should NOT ask them to
be in charge if they are not certified.
>And surely these non-certified parents shouldn't be left in
>charge for the entire two hours.
>Gaps in my knowledge:
>How long do these classes take? 6 hours total? 6 hours for BB, and 8 hours
>for Archery? 30-40 hours? Is this set by BSA or by councils?
Officially each certification should take about two hours. I offer
both classes as one, dropping some of the duplicated stuff and adding a
little more technique training so I usually run 4-5 hours total.
>Do councils ever offer training to people who only intend to work at day
>camp or other local district events? Must trained people be willing to work
>at any event in the council?
I have offered the class twice since school was out. Most of the
attendees have been day camp people. I will offer the class again this
fall (before council family camping) and again a couple of time next
spring (for cub resident camp and day camps next summer). The only
requirement we have for class attendance is that the person is
POTENTIALLY going to work at a camp (and isn't planning to do it at a
pack activity). We announce the class to each of the camp directors
(day camps, resident camp), the cub camping committee, and health and
safety committee and have them get their people there.
>Must the classes be taken at the camp rifle range?
It is probably a good idea, as there can (should) be a live firing
during the class. However, since safety is the primary focus of the
class, the live fire could be dropped (especially if the people in
attendance are already comfortable with shooting).
>Where would an NRA rifle instructor or an American Archery Association Level
>1 Instructor obtain the curriculum for teaching the certification classes?
BSA Bin #13-550.
>How old must one be to be trained?
>Could an older brother "marksman" Boy
>Scout be certified? Could an older sibling who is not a Scout be certified?
If they are 18 or older.
>Can a non-certified parent help out as long as the range master is
>certified? We have been told when shooting is involved, only certified
>people can work with Cub Scouts. [witnessing situation (c) above made some
>of us skeptical.]
I would say yes. However, as with anything in BSA, your council can
choose HOW it interprets the rules and make them more (or to certain
extents, less) strict.
>What is the "handy-dandy automatic eye-lid closer"??????????
I would guess a bb in the eye? But I don't know for sure. I may come
up with a way to use that phrase before my next class. :)
>We really want to be ready for the next district event (October). Thanks
>again for the wonderful responses.
Good idea. Get with your Council Cub Camping committee and try to find
a class in your are (or give me a yell if you want to come to Little
Rock for one of mine :) ).
Wendell Brown - Scouting The Net