scouts-l Mail Archive for July of 2000: Re: Clarification requested on BB/Archery certification 1 of 2
Wendell Brown (wbrown@ARKIE.NET
Sun Jul 16 2000 - 17:33:57 CDT
On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:12:10 -0500, Marjorie Whitmore wrote:
>We have made a few unfruitful council queries
>already. [We were heartened by Wendell Brown's comment, "It shouldn't be a
>secret to your professional staff".]
The order of people I would try are:
1) Unit Commissioner
2) District Executive
3) Council Cub Camping Committee
4) Council Program Director (he should be the professional in charge of
5) Boy Scout Shooting Sports Director
>We have been just as frustrated as the person who said:
>>It would be nice if there were some better clarification and guidance about
>how , when and where someone can become certified in these programs. At our
>council it seems to be either a secret or a mystery.
The clarification is a book published by BSA titled "Shooting Sports
for Cub Scouts, Webelos Scouts, and Parents in Camp". The part number
is 13-550 (it's a Bin item and it may be necessary to order it through
your council) and it's printing date is 1999.
>We were relieved to learn it isn't just us! We've been sent in circles for
>10 months. Here are some examples of what we've tried just in the last 30
>days. Our cubmaster has been to camp twice this year, without finding any
>answers. During his most recent visit, he asked four different people [who
>should have AT LEAST known how to find out] and got four different answers.
What kind of camp? Remember, Boy Scout camp staff probably don't
consider Cubs real scouts and will not go far out of their way to help
cub scouts (unfortunately). If your council offers rifle or shotgun
shooting at Boy Scout Camp, the shooting sports director of your camp
SHOULD be a current NCS Shooting Sports Director and as such be
eligible to offer the cub certifications (it is common to offer this
class during staff week at Boy Scout camp).
>At day camp, I asked the BB person and got yet another answer. Last week,
>one of our parents at BOY Scout camp in another state attempted to learn the
>secret. Nothing new. We are giddy because we got real answers from
The person at day camp SHOULD have had the class but he may not know
the requirements pertaining to who can teach it.
>I have attempted to summarize and synthesize all this wonderful new
>information. PLEASE let me know if I have misinterpreted or omitted
>(We knew shooting was prohibited at anything below district level. This
>information exists in written form in publications readily available to
>leaders, cubmasters, and probably anyone else who cares. Still, it was nice
>to see there is at least one point on which everyone agrees!)
>Some of this information came from email that was not posted to Scouts-L.
>In order to run BB's or Archery for Cubs, there is a specific BSA
>certification class that MUST be taken first. The class MUST be taught by
>someone with a current National Camp School Shooting Sports certification.
>[NCSSS certification for trainers is obtained only at National Camp School]
>It is possible to
>become certified in just BB's or just archery. In that case, an NRA rifle
>instructor can teach the BB class, and an American Archery Association Level
>1 Instructor can teach the archery class.
National Archery Association (there are both, but BSA is associated
with NAA not AAA).
>Some specific examples:
>(a) an NRA rifle instructor should _not_ be in charge of BB guns at a Cub
>Scout district function unless also certified by BSA. NRA certification is
>sufficient to train someone, but not to supervise Cubs.
I don't think so, but I am not sure. I would think if the NRA
instructor is approved to certify the cub range officer (by offering
the safety course) he would be eligible to run the range, but I don't
see anything specifically in the docs that say one way or the other.
>(b) an American Archery Association Level 1 Instructor should _not_ be in
>charge of archery at a Cub Scout district function unless also certified by
>BSA. This person can train someone else to do this job, Cubs, but cannot do
>the job him- or her- self.
See two previous comments.
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Wendell Brown - Scouting The Net