scouts-l Mail Archive for July of 2000: Clarification requested on BB/Archery certification (Warning: Long!)
Marjorie Whitmore (whitmore@ALLTEL.NET
Sun Jul 16 2000 - 00:12:10 CDT
Thanks to everyone who responded to my recent plea for help by posting to
Scouts-L and/or email. There may yet be a light at the end of this tunnel!
Sorry I didn't give more detail about what we had already tried in the
previous post. I was trying to be nice. I was trying not to rant and rave.
I think our biggest mistake [and source of frustration] has been trying to
find out anything at the _district_ level. We were starting to suspect
they didn't know, anyway. We have made a few unfruitful council queries
already. [We were heartened by Wendell Brown's comment, "It shouldn't be a
secret to your professional staff".]
We have been just as frustrated as the person who said:
>It would be nice if there were some better clarification and guidance about
how , when and where >someone can become certified in these programs. At our
council it seems to be either a secret or a >mystery.
We were relieved to learn it isn't just us! We've been sent in circles for
10 months. Here are some examples of what we've tried just in the last 30
days. Our cubmaster has been to camp twice this year, without finding any
answers. During his most recent visit, he asked four different people [who
should have AT LEAST known how to find out] and got four different answers.
At day camp, I asked the BB person and got yet another answer. Last week,
one of our parents at BOY Scout camp in another state attempted to learn the
secret. Nothing new. We are giddy because we got real answers from
I have attempted to summarize and synthesize all this wonderful new
information. PLEASE let me know if I have misinterpreted or omitted
(We knew shooting was prohibited at anything below district level. This
information exists in written form in publications readily available to
leaders, cubmasters, and probably anyone else who cares. Still, it was nice
to see there is at least one point on which everyone agrees!)
Some of this information came from email that was not posted to Scouts-L.
In order to run BB's or Archery for Cubs, there is a specific BSA
certification class that MUST be taken first. The class MUST be taught by
someone with a current National Camp School Shooting Sports certification.
[NCSSS certification for trainers is obtained only at National Camp School]
It is possible to
become certified in just BB's or just archery. In that case, an NRA rifle
instructor can teach the BB class, and an American Archery Association Level
1 Instructor can teach the archery class.
Some specific examples:
(a) an NRA rifle instructor should _not_ be in charge of BB guns at a Cub
Scout district function unless also certified by BSA. NRA certification is
sufficient to train someone, but not to supervise Cubs.
(b) an American Archery Association Level 1 Instructor should _not_ be in
charge of archery at a Cub Scout district function unless also certified by
BSA. This person can train someone else to do this job, Cubs, but cannot do
the job him- or her- self.
(c) non-certified parents should not be asked [or made] to go run archery
for a couple of hours at a district event, even if their pack has been
assigned that time slot, even if the person intimidating them into running
archery can't find anyone else from that pack, and even if there is a long
line of kids. And surely these non-certified parents shouldn't be left in
charge for the entire two hours.
Gaps in my knowledge:
How long do these classes take? 6 hours total? 6 hours for BB, and 8 hours
for Archery? 30-40 hours? Is this set by BSA or by councils?
Do councils ever offer training to people who only intend to work at day
camp or other local district events? Must trained people be willing to work
at any event in the council?
Must the classes be taken at the camp rifle range?
Where would an NRA rifle instructor or an American Archery Association Level
1 Instructor obtain the curriculum for teaching the certification classes?
How old must one be to be trained? Could an older brother "marksman" Boy
Scout be certified? Could an older sibling who is not a Scout be certified?
Can a non-certified parent help out as long as the range master is
certified? We have been told when shooting is involved, only certified
people can work with Cub Scouts. [witnessing situation (c) above made some
of us skeptical.]
What is the "handy-dandy automatic eye-lid closer"??????????
We really want to be ready for the next district event (October). Thanks
again for the wonderful responses.