scouts-l Mail Archive for July of 2000: Re: Dale vs BSA
Musto, Neal (NIDDK) (MustoN@EXTRA.NIDDK.NIH.GOV
Mon Jul 03 2000 - 10:03:51 CDT
I am in much agreement with many of your arguments, but you have one
potential weakness and that is found in paragraph 5, regarding "private
practices". Yes, I may be a scoutmaster with a style of life or practice
that someone may not agree with, but if I keep it to myself (away from the
boys), there should be no issue. It is unfortunate, in the Dale case, that
the issue was brought to the public forum, by his public announcement of his
private practices. Of course we all know this was done to push the envelope.
My point is, that it becomes an issue when you wear your "private practices"
on your public sleeve. As a scoutmaster, I do not care what an assistant
scoutmaster's private life style includes, as long as they do not bring it
to our meetings. Their duty is to focus on the SO&L as it pertains to the
greater good, not specific lifestyle issues (theirs or others).
To one father that was considering removing his son from our troop because
of the BSA stance over this issue, I said "What would you say if I told you
I was a porn star acting in sado-masochistic films. Would you be pleased."
His response, "Oh you certainly are not and we would have know." But how
would you know, I asked. Additionally, I asked if he would be pleased if the
local paper ran a story reporting on my vocation. He response; "no." My
response "would you like me to stay as scoutmaster given my notoriety." His
response, " I don't think so." My response; "So, as long as my private life
is not public and I do not set myself up as a role model in this area to the
boys, it is OK." His response "Well I suppose."
AS I pointed out to him I and many other scout volunteers have no beef with
gay leaders (or for that matter a porn star) as long as they do not bring
that agenda to the troop in any form.
Let's focus on the SO&L, the outdoors code and LNT as well as building
strong leadership and character qualities, saving the debate on private
morality and public persona for the other forums.
Scoutmaster troop 33
From: WAHowland@AOL.COM [mailto:WAHowland@AOL.COM]
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Dale vs BSA
Oh, you mean you're thinking about private sexual practices? Let me remind
you that even in the South <G> straight people do pretty much the same
there too, and if you don't believe it you can speak to a physician. I know
that some things my legally-wed husband and I do are technically illegal in
the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts<G> but I don't talk about it with
Scouts, nor do I encourage you to go fantasizing or obsessing about what
*anyone* does in bed with a consenting like-age partner. We're both
apparently acceptable to the BSA...because the BSA has no overarching need
know about this aspect of our lives. Nor do they have an overarching need to
know this about *anyone's* life.