scouts-l Mail Archive for July of 2000: Re: Dale vs BSA
Mon Jul 03 2000 - 08:13:32 CDT
In a message dated 7/3/00 12:21:15 AM, Clakley writes:
> These clearly state a Scout is to be "morally straight" and that, in the
>opinion of most Americans, does not include being an Homosexual.
As a matter of fact, the BSA literature explicitly defines what "morally
straight" is. (You can go to your handbook and look it up.) There is no
guessing as to what it means or what it says we teach youth, and there is no
mention of sexuality of any kind in its explicit definition. It is not a code
word for something we wish it were. At one time, this was used as an
opinion/argument promulgated to keep the BSA from being a venue for "racial
mixing." Let's not try it here, too. (I also question your use of the word
"most," when the polls over the last 15 yrs show increasing recognition of
the fact that one can be a moral person regardless of sexual orientation.)
Homosexuality is wrong--it is not a sickness--it is a choice made by the
individual! To accept a homosexual as a leader is to condone that lifestyle,
and, in my opinion, would be wrong. Perhaps the differences in our
viewpoints may be geographical, as I was raised in the South, with
traditional Southern values.
I always ask people who think that homosexuality is a "lifestyle choice"
whether they could choose to be sexually attracted to members of their same
gender. They usually reply with an emphatic "No." I then as them why, and
it's usually because it's "That's the way I AM." Sexual attraction is an
inborn thing. It is the way you ARE.
As to the "lifestyle," well, every gay person I know puts on his or her socks
every morning. They mow the lawn, pay their taxes, take the dog to the vet,
see movies, get the laundry done, pay the bills, go swimming, hang the storm
windows, get the oil changed, buy the groceries, go to work, rake the leaves,
vote, paint the trim; they are helpful, friendly, courteous, kind,
cheerful... you get the picture.... in short, their "lifestyle" is pretty
much like yours and mine. Can this actually come as a surprise to you? As
such, they are perfectly acceptable "role models" for youth.
Oh, you mean you're thinking about private sexual practices? Let me remind
you that even in the South <G> straight people do pretty much the same things
there too, and if you don't believe it you can speak to a physician. I know
that some things my legally-wed husband and I do are technically illegal in
the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts<G> but I don't talk about it with
Scouts, nor do I encourage you to go fantasizing or obsessing about what
*anyone* does in bed with a consenting like-age partner. We're both
apparently acceptable to the BSA...because the BSA has no overarching need to
know about this aspect of our lives. Nor do they have an overarching need to
know this about *anyone's* life.
Holding and revering "traditional values" doesn't give anyone a pass on
possessing facts, nor does it excuse prejudice. "Traditional values" do not
include prejudice or hate. "Traditional values" is not code for "the way I
wish it was." Defining exactly what your actual "traditional values" are may
be helpful to you. (Like: stealing is wrong, lying is wrong, cheating on your
taxes is wrong, charity to the poor is good, good manners towards your elders
is good, divorce or remarriage is ...., wives working out side the home
is..., make your list as long as you like.) Sexuality is inborn, it is not a
choice, and obsessing about what adults do in the privacy of their own homes
cannot be an issue in Scouting because we don't discuss it in Scouting. Is
that clear enough <G>?
SA T47 Sandwich MA
Cape Cod & Islands Council
Abake MiSaNaKi Lodge #393
NSJ 1997 Nat'l Health & Safety and going in 01!
I useta be an Eagle...