scouts-l Mail Archive for June of 2000: Re: Service Hours Counting?
Paul S. Wolf (Paul.S.Wolf@ALUM.WPI.EDU
Tue Jun 27 2000 - 11:53:43 CDT
I had written:
> > Once he's approved the project, he CAN'T say, "You worked too long
> > on that one, so you must do another", that would obviously fall
> > under the rule ...
Jonathan Dixon wrote:
> While I will preface this by stating that I disagree with what the SM
> is doing, I have to point out he might be staying within the rules.
> If he approves a Scout working for 2 hours on something, then that 2
> hours is what is approved. If the Scout continues working for 4 more
> hours, then that would be a project other than what was approved, so
> that the SM does not need to accept it. I can see this being used to
> keep boys from taking 15 minutes of service work and stretching it
> over 6 hours (not that teenagers are likely to goof off, try to avoid
> working, or otherwise shirk responsibility :) ).
> Now whether the SM has to specifically limit in each case, or whether
> "standing orders" that no project over 2 hours in length counts is
> sufficient, I don't know and probably can be the subject of lengthy
> debates. Personally, as long as I feel the boy actually is doing that
> length of work, I don't see the point in that limitation. Why throw
> unnecessary obstacles in the boy's path.
A blanket "You only get 2 hours credit" rule would be a violation of the
If the Scoutmaster KNOWS at the start, that to do the project with the
number of people anticipated to be there should take a certain length of
time, then tells a boy, "I expect you to be there for the entire
project, yet will only count 2 hours toward the service time
requirement.", he is wrong, and violates the intent in the clause about
giving prior approval. He is approving the PROJECT, not the length of
time needed to do the project.
I agree that not counting the work if a Scout loafs for 5.75 hours out
of 6 is permissible. That's a case of "A Scout is Trustworthy."
However, if he works for 45 minutes then takes a break for 15 minutes
every hour, on a 6 hour project that involves manual labor, I would
count all 6 hours, not just the 4.5 hours actually spent laboring.
Paul S. Wolf, PE mailto:Paul.S.Wolf@alum.wpi.edu
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