scouts-l Mail Archive for June of 2000: Re: What do you say to the parent of a scout who will not make eagle?
Joseph Alessi (JosephAlessi@COMPUSERVE.COM
Fri Jun 23 2000 - 07:53:22 CDT
>>What do you say to a parent when you have to tell a young
>>man that he has not filled the leadership requirements
>>for Eagle scout? I have a young man in my troop who last
>>went on a camp-out two years ago, has attended probably
>>12 meetings in the past two years, did not complete the
>>Leadership job he was given once he became a Life Scout,
>>and has two merit badges to finish before he turns 18
Congrats on your move to District Commissioner. As a DC,
you'll be expected to know the rules backwards and forwards,
so my recommendation is to run right out and buy a copy of
the Advancement policy and procedures and read them cover
I hate to say this, but as an ex-district advancement
committee chair and current district vice-chair program,
it looks to me as if you are heading for an appeal which
you will lose.
First, there is no Eagle requirement for holding a "leadership
job". The scout must hold a "position of responsibility".
If he served as scribe, for example, for six months,
***IRREGARDLESS OF HIS PERFORMANCE OR ATTENDANCE***, he
has met this requirement. You are not allowed to go back
now and take "credit" away from him. Since National assumes
that each troop is boy led, and that each position of
responsibility has duties which must be performed, the fact
that he was allowed to "wear the patch" for six months
means that he met the minimum requirements for the job.
Otherwise, he would have been removed from the position
so that someone else could do what was needed to run the
You also brought up an issue on his project plan. ***IF
THE UNIT SIGNED OFF ON THE PLAN, YOU CANNOT GO BACK NOW
AND SAY THAT IT DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS***. If you
felt that the boy needed to re-write something himself,
the time to make him do that was when you initially
You also mentioned his attendance. National's position is
that, by including this youth on your charter, you have
already certified that he is an "active" member, and meets
the requirements. If you want to enforce attendance
requirements, you must move scouts out of "active" status
on your unit's charter (there is a registration category for
"associate members", which according to National is
supposed to be used for anyone who can't meet the
requirements of "active" status).
Before this goes any further, I suggest that you discuss
the issues with your council advancement chair, and see
what he says.
Sorry to be the bearer of such bad news.
Joseph A. Alessi in Ozwin 2.31
Vice Chair - Program, Lafayette District
Committee Member, Troop 313 - Cradle of Liberty Council
Adviser to the Treasurer, Unami Lodge
Quartermaster, Jambo 2001 Council Committee
I used to be an Owl