scouts-l Mail Archive for June of 2000: Re: Membership Input
Alexandria Lone Scout (scouts_alex@HOTMAIL.COM
Thu Jun 15 2000 - 00:40:58 CDT
I stand by my first statement. As an organization the perception of myself
and based on a jammed email in-box that I counted this morning, is that
National does not care what the bulk of the membership thinks. Based on my
incoming e-mail traffic I am not alone in this perception. The unscientific
poll is about 3:1 supporting my perception so there is an undercurrent of
The perception is probably wrong but the perception is what matters. That
perception needs to be changed for the good of the movement. Many of my
peers in San Diego saw the organization bending to the will of one large
minority sponsoring group to the detriment of the majority.
For most scouters and scouts the first anyone hears of program or
advancement changes is when they appear in SCOUTING or BOY'S LIFE as done
deals. Quite often there is no reason presented for the changes. This is/was
not true of some major changes like uniform colors or allowing females to
join. It is the requiring Family Life for Eagle to satisfy the XYZ stuff
that displays the "bend over" attitude.
Now the stupidity of spending what will could soon become millions of
dollars defending a policy that probably will be declared illegal despite
the time and energy spent. In most scout associations around the world it
isn't even an issue.
If the XYZ or any other group of sponsoring institutions are going to bolt
from the Movement, let them. Several Baptist church groups did a number of
years ago. The Seventh-day Adventists have a wonderful co-ed scout-like
program within the church where they do what they feel is important without
stressing anyone else. I was active in it as a young adult concurrently with
being a BSA leader. The rest of us can get back to the program and not see
the special rules for special groups or 13 year-old Eagle Scouts with two
merit badge sashes that can't tie square knots or cook anything except
pop-tarts. Several countries have more than one scout association based on
church or region with the combined group selecting representatives to the
All the rest that you recounted is wonderful. I also understand about
stuffed e-mail boxes and surveys to measure x, y, or z. I'm managing one at
the moment here in Egypt.
Incidently Direct Service Council does not have any districts according to
the International Division staffer I was working with.
If you agree to serve on committees then you also accept some exposure.
Names available to the public and a contact via the committee staff person
by paper mail should not be a burden. There should also be some confidence
that the staffer will not read and dispose of the mail. This troll did just
that. The relationship we had with the Advancement Committee staffer started
out with a snarl as if we were disturbing his late career snooze and then
became antagonistic when we asked simple questions such a "Why?" and "Who"
and "What is your name." He was not a happy man and I did not make it up.
"Flags have no part in the Scouting Program." How does that sit with you? It
is as close to being a quote as I can make it these five years later. I
almost asked if this was BSA.
Irish Pennant - I'm not sure where this got interjected - I've no problem
with the equipment supplied through National Supply. It is good stuff. I do
think they should stop trying to hide the fact that much of it comes from
off-shore locations and that Lion Co. has no U.S. production facilities
anymore. I've heard stories from, not about, scouts working in the local
scout shop spending hours pulling "Made in Taiwan" or "Made in China" labels
off patches before putting them on the shelves. A silly waste of time and
borderline illegal to boot.
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