scouts-l Mail Archive for June of 2000: Re: Men and Women Scouters
Wayne Mery (vseerror@LEHIGH.EDU
Mon Jun 12 2000 - 15:36:47 CDT
Difficult to decide which great thread/topic to respond to Dale's or
Jim's - so I am going to respond to both posts.
Dale Karweik wrote:
> This is an interesting thread. First, I am not sure that I would promote
> attendance of a boy in a Troop or Pack that had exclusivelly all men or all
> women as leaders.
One would have to look deeper than this assessment, even today. But my
experience as a Scout in the 60's and early 70's was strictly with males
- and I do not feel I nor any of my comrades suffered because of it. So
I would not discount a troop with all male adult leaders; but in
*today's* world one might see if such a troop does not have subtle
issues going on that cause the troop to be far less that it should be.
> Both adult role models are needed for proper
> maturation. Second any Troop or Pack that reduces it leadership potential
> based on gender is doing itself and its boys a disservice. Never accept a
> weaker substitute just because the gender is not yours.
An observation which I can't quantify (but would be interesting if it
could) -- I'm not sure what this means, but of the packs and troops that
I see in trouble in my area, they are mostly ones that have little or no
balance of male/female leadership, i.e. the unit is exclusively/heavily
female or exclusively/heavily male leadership.
> That said, I guess I am still a sexist male. The better Rangers I have
> dealt with at Philmont have been male. Given a choice of two EQUALLY
> qualified candidates for the position of Scoutmaster I would choose the
> male candidate. This is despite the fact that a very capable lady was a
> wonderful SM in our SMF training course that I served on and I know two
> great SMs who happen to be female. Having a choice of two EQUALLY
> qualified candidates is a rich and unusual circunstance, under normal
> conditions I hope I am always going to be smart enough to choose the most
> qualified candidate and gender is not, in my mind, a qualification.
> Dale Karweik
> Troop 417 Scoutmaster Emeritus and ASM
I find myself in this camp. But to be honest, (ambivalent, I know)
conceptually I have trouble with the idea of a female SM.
I have not read all the posts on this subject, but some have mentioned
the "discomfort" some boys have being in the company of women. I wonder
a) why and b) if in some cases it is not the boys but rather the *men*
who find this situation uncomfortable.
As I concluded in my response in the other thread - I find nothing in
the Aims and Methods of Scouting that talks about male role models at
http://www.scouting.org/nav/about.html - I do see a lot about
Wayne S. Mery (firstname.lastname@example.org -- for vse-l mailing list errors)
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