scouts-l Mail Archive for June of 2000: Re: Troop Leadership Positions
Paul S. Wolf (paul.s.wolf@ALUM.WPI.EDU
Thu Jun 08 2000 - 21:12:39 CDT
"Bruce E. Cobern" wrote:
> I think I am going to somewhat disagree with my esteemed friend Paul
> on this one, in some ways.
Not really. I agree completely with everything you said in your
message, which I'm snipping to a large degree.
As long as the Scout agrees that HE is not ready to advance, any
agreements and procedures they establish are fine. Its ONLY when there
is a disagreement (either before or after the fact, but especially
after) that the troop MUST yield to the Scout. And in those cases, if
he appeals, as Bruce and I well know, he WILL win.
> I believe the unit should be able to both establish and maintain
> qualitative standards AND prevent the Scout from even wanting to
> appeal to anyone, much less national.
> How? Well the key part is to have the Scout buy into what is
> expected of him. If the troop has established standards for the
> quality of performance they expect in their advancement, be it that
> the food for cooking must be edible, or that a junior leader must
> actually DO his job, then most of the Scouts will accept that there
> is an expected performance level and won't even consider that they
> have earned the right to advance until they feel they have met that
> I believe that is what happened in Blaine's case, and I think it is
> absolutely admirable that the Scout decided that he wanted to do
> something more to demonstrate his leadership abilities. I certainly
> don't think that unit did anything wrong in allowing him to do so,
> and that they would have been very wrong to try to convince him that
> he was ready, when he himself felt he was not.
We agree here, too. As long as it was the SCOUT's choice to wait, and
do more, that is not IMPOSING added requirements, that's allowing him to
go above and beyond what is needed. It's the same as a scout earning 36
Merit badges before Eagle. He doesn't have to stop at 21.
> And this brings me to the key part, to me, in all of this. While we
> can't REQUIRE the Scout to do more than is in the printed
> requirements, there is nothing that stops the Scout from agreeing
> with the SM that he will do certain things in order to be able to
Paul S. Wolf, PE mailto:Paul.S.Wolf@alum.wpi.edu
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