scouts-l Mail Archive for June of 2000: Re: Curious - Money Earning APp
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blkeagle@USSCOUTS.ORG
Wed Jun 07 2000 - 21:44:37 CDT
Darryl Hammill <darryl.hammill@NCMAIL.NET> wrote and asked us all:
>>>I am curious (and a little concerned). Recently, I have hard that our
>>>District (and maybe Council) is going to try to enforce a policy that
>>>Units who refuse to participate in the annual Popcorn sale will have to,
>>>essentially, pay their "fair share" from whatever other fundraising
>>>ventures they undertake.
He also asked for a copy of the backside of the BSA's Fund Raising Permit
application. That application is available (both sides) from my Financing
Scouting website at http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/finance.htm
But I really liked Jason Cruse' first set of responses, and agree with them
>First, popcorn can be an "official" fundraiser for councils, but it is NOT
>tied to BSA in general. Indeed, DEs are taught in their first training
>course the popcorn is NOT BSA's version of Girl Scout cookies. In fact
>(unofficially, of course), there are some professionals in Irving who would
>like to see ties with Trail's End loosened in some councils.
>For the record, BSA National does NOT encourage strict ties like the one
>mentioned in the original post to popcorn.
The BSA puts up with the Trails' End Popcorn folks because it has been very
successful over the years; but they are deathly afraid of the
"commericialization" aspect that Trails' End now has similar to Girl Scout
cookies sales. The BSA doesn't want to enter into any kind of agreement on
a national scale with Trails' End.
COUNCILS enter into agreements which must be reviewed by the BSA's law team
before signed and executed each year.
>Now, that said, I have another concern about councils and finances in this
>regard. It appears to me that the council in question has forgotten who
>"owns" the troop, as well as who runs the program. Units "belong" to the
>chartered partner, not the council. So, if, for instance, a chartered
>partner stated that it will not sell popcorn (as many LDS units have done,
>for example), that should be their prerogative. And, while the argument may
>still be retorted, "then troops should have to pay some back to the
>council", I am waiting to hear a viable argument as to "why", other than
>"every one else does." This is a large stick the council is wielding, and
>is little more than a bully toward the troops.
Firmly agreed, Jason. There are some units whom do NOT want to raise
monies for the Council -- for a variety of reasons, many of which we've all
talked about here in the past. But if they don't decide to assist with the
financing of the Council, clearly they should have a limited amount of
support from the Council in exchange, I'm thinking. It's like getting
something "for free"...and as we all know, nothing in life is truly cost-free.
>Now, that being said, why shouldn't troops return some funds to the council?
>I know of many that earmark a certain percentage *on their own* as a unit
>FOS contribution. However, what of those troops/chartered partners who
>disagree with how popcorn is managed? My troop is a case in point: we
>disagree with how popcorn is administered in our district and council. As
>such, we do not sell popcorn. We do not participate in ANY fundraising
>efforts by our council because of how they are administered. We have voiced
>our concerns; our scout executive has yet to bother with a reply. Is it
>fair to troops like ours to mandate that we must participate in an activity
>that we believe is unfair from the outset?
I'm sorry that your Council Scout Executive felt that he shouldn't reply to
what sounds like to me, is a good question. But at the same time, if
you're using the Council's summer camp facility, your Troop should pay your
"fair share" for it's maintenance and upkeep. If you're using the
Council's trading post to pick up your awards and to turn in items, you
should pay your fair share. What's your Troop's fair share?? I don't know
the answer to that....
While I agree with you and others that each unit should be able to decide
if they are going to support the Council in the sales of fund-raising
items, I disagree with you and others that say that we don't owe the
Council anything except our participation in Scouting. The Council
supports ALL of the units in the Council, and they provide services that
the units cannot provide. Those services COST MONEY, real monies, and ALL
of the units in the Council should be prepared to at least pay something
toward the upkeep and services of their local Council and it's facilities.
"Every Scout pays his way"?
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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