scouts-l Mail Archive for May of 2000: Re: Blood Drives
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blkeagle@USSCOUTS.ORG
Tue May 30 2000 - 20:50:41 CDT
Rick Cordray wrote:
>Just a point of clarification. No one at National knows anything about the
>Scout's project, except the completion date as stated on the application.
Using the 2000 version of the application, yes, you're right. However, the
local Council does reserve the right to include parts of the Eagle Scout
Leadership Service Project Workbook (in particular, the page which
summarizes the project) when the application is signed by the Scout
Executive/Council Executive and is forwarded to the BSA's Eagle Scout
>They do not receive the project workbook or anything else that would give
>them the slightest clue what the project was. In our council, and I'm sure
>in many others, the council staff does not see any project information
>either, only the application. Project approvals and boards of review are
>done at the district level and that's the only place where the project is
That's great in your District, Rick. In other Districts and Councils, the
entire "packet" (application, statement of life purpose/resume and project
does indeed gets reviewed and questioned at the Council level, anyways.
And if the Scout Executive is relatively new, you can bet that he or she'll
send a copy of the Eagle application and all supporting items to National
for their review.
And still, there's some other Councils whom have been told, and whose
professional staffs will be told again, to "only use the 2000 version of
the Eagle Scout Application because we are trying to reduce the amount of
>In our district, we have a rule of thumb that as long as the stated
>technicalities are met (appropriate beneficiary, etc.), any service project
>can be made into an Eagle project. For blood drives and other project where
>the goal is to collect something, we ask the Scout to make an ambitious
>commitment, and expect them to defend their performance to meet that
>commitment at their board of review. It's pretty easy to collect 10 units
>of blood, but is going to require a lot more organization of resources and
>leadership of others to collect 100 units. We won't approve a plan for a
>drive without a specific, challenging goal and a plan that will require
>leadership of a substantial number of people to accomplish the goal.
Again, it is only when the project is QUESTIONED, does the other supporting
materials have a "play" now, Rick. The new application does make it a lot
more streamlined, but at the same time, the Eagle Scout Service is now
depending on local committees and local Boards of Review to make the "hard
To *me*, I don't see this as a hard call....if the project is planned,
coordinated, led and evaluated by the Eagle Scout candidate, with very
little if any adult involvement, then it's a good service project -- no
matter what it is.
If the project requires the Scout to only make three phone calls, two
handshakes and a paragraph in the workbook, I would not only question it,
but I would turn the project down and recommend that the Scout spend some
time with his or her Scoutmaster, Coach, Advisor or Skipper and find out
*just what is required* to complete this part of the Eagle Scout requirements.
Eagle Scout service projects are SUPPOSED TO BE CHALLENGING. To the Scout,
not to his parents nor outside agencies. This is a test of everything he
learned in Scouting up to this point; his ability to lead others based on
his ability to follow others. His ability to think out a problem and to
come to a solution...maybe not the optimal solution that his parents,
Scoutmaster or other mentor, or even the Red Cross would come up
with....but one that WORKS.
That's the true test of whether or not a project "is approvable" to *me*.
Not "who does his know that can help him do his project".
Thanks for the reminder about the application, Rick!
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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