scouts-l Mail Archive for May of 2000: WDL uniform question (summary)
Stu Allen (allensr@FRONTIERNET.NET
Tue May 23 2000 - 12:21:21 CDT
I _knew_ I'd get a response from scouts-l! :-)
First, I just want to say "thanks" to everyone that replied to my
question about WDLs wearing the 'den medallion' instead of den
number. I will try very hard to send each of you a personal
note of thanks; if I miss anyone please know that it is just
an oversight and not a deliberate slight!
In all honesty I don't know for sure what I'll end up doing;
we had our 'end-of-year' den picnic last night and I gave all the
boys' parents their brand new 'Cobra' emblems; I guess if I
decide to switch I'll need to make another trip down to our council
store. Darn. :-) I really won't need to make a decision until my
den attends our council "Cub Adventure Camp" in August though; our
pack tends to wear "Class B" uniform for our summer activities.
I think the other thing I'll probably do is call my DE and ask her about
it. She just LOVES it when I call with some arcane question. :-) I think
she probably shudders when she hears my voice. ;-)
The reason I will do this is so if someone _does_ challenge me on it I can
say "Well, I asked Shannon and she said ....". Personally, Mike Walton's
answer is good enough for me, and I'm sure that most people on this list
would agree that his answers are almost always 'right on', plus he has
better 'connections' than most of us. But, I think we have to admit that we
as "Internet Scouters" are in the minority, and I think the "Shannon said"
answer may placate the _real_ uniform police better than "Well, this guy
who hangs out on the Internet that I respect a lot but you've never heard of
said so." :-)
Sorry if this is getting long-winded, but I just want to clarify a couple
points. First, the only reason I would do this is for unity with my den.
Please keep in mind that this is _still_ a Cub Scout DEN, it is NOT a patrol.
I fully understand (and agree with!) the concept of "boy-lead/run" for troops
and patrols, and agree that it would be totally inappropriate for a leader
in a scout troop to wear a patrol medallion -- even if it is an ASM 'assigned'
to a patrol, he or she is an advisor, NOT a member or leader of that patrol.
This is a Webelos den though. I _am_ the leader of the den, and think of
it as "my den". And den leaders DO wear identification that associates
them with a particular den; my question was simply whether that extended to
the optional use of a 'medallion' rather than the den number. Logically it
seems like it _should_, and indeed Mike Walton has explained that the insignia
guide is SUPPOSED to say that but there is a mistake in this year's edition.
When all is said and done, though, it doesn't really matter that much. :-)
We'll still be "Den 1" in our pack, so if my uniform stays as it is it will
still be correct. One thing I try hard to do though is wear the uniform
_correctly_; I feel that the appropriate use of the uniform is an important
part of Scouting but I think 'lead by example' is the best way to drive this
Finally (whew!) I just want to apologize if I offended anyone with my comment
about my wife sewing patches. First, it _was_ a joke (note the smiley?)!
And second, I DO know how to sew, and I DO think it is a skill that every
child, girl OR boy, should acquire at a level which would allow them to make
simple repairs, etc. But chances are, my wife WILL be the one to sew this
patch on my shirt (and my son's).
The reason has nothing to do with sewing being "woman's work" or "beneath
me" or any such nonsense as that. The simple truth is that my wife is GOOD
at sewing, and I'm not, and I want my uniform to look good instead of
looking like I sewed the patches on!!
So please, if you feel that it's important for a Scout or Scouter to sew his
own patches on his uniform, that's OK by me, but please don't flame me (not
that anyone really has) because I'd rather ask my wife to do it and have my
uniform look good.
Besides, maybe if I can talk her into being Den Leader for our second son
I'll sew the patches on HER uniform! :-)
Thanks once again everyone.