scouts-l Mail Archive for May of 2000: Re: Changing Chartering Organizations
Ted Burton (scouter@CONSULTBURTON.COM
Sun May 14 2000 - 09:54:07 CDT
At 22:53 -0400 on 5/13/00, Ken Guarino spake about Changing
Chartering Organizations thus:
>Canany of you offer advice on a situation our troop is facing
>regarding the changing of chartering organizations?
You indicated that your official Charter Organization furnishes
nothing other than a signature to the life of the Troop. You indicate
a local church has very useful meeting facilities and has offered to
accept the Troop. You also indicated that the existing Charter
Organization (American Legion) has made noises about keeping the
number and the equipment.
I have dealt with this situation specifically as a Scoutmaster, and
as a District Commissioner would deal with such a situation if it
arose in our District.
There are two think-outside-the-box possible solutions.
First, is there any reason you cannot simply move the meeting to the
Church; and in like fashion as when you met at the school, retain the
Legion as the paper charter partner? This is what we did in one case.
Will the District/Council permit you to add the Church as a second
sponsoring organization in addition to the Legion? At one time I had
a Troop with two charter partners, which so far as I know still
exists as such some 13 years later.
>During a recent meeting with the COR, it was mentioned that the
>legion would have to decide if it wanted to keep the troop's number
>and start up its own troop, and it was pointed out that all of the
>assets of the troop are owned by the American Legion. <snip>
The "ownership" of Troop-used equipment is a topic we have discussed
at length here, and I believe we concluded that the Scout
informational materials often refer to ownership of the Troop, but
that things are in fact a whole lot more flexible than that as a
matter of actual law. The official wisdom is that the Church and the
Legion would have a mature conversation facilitated by the Unit
Commissioner and work things out as adults. It has long been my
position that the Scout documents define what the troop and the
charter partner ought to have done in the past about tangible
personal property, but the troop and the charter partner did
whatever they in fact did, and the the law establishes the
consequences of what they did.
>The troop has been in existence for over fourty-four years.
This is a factor not lightly to be tossed away, for if you keep the
number, you keep the history and the ability of the Troop to slip
that 50-year patch in between the Council patch and the unit numbers.
This suggests the Church should be a co-sponsor, or a meeting place.
If you talk the District and Council into co-sponsorship, then in a
year or two you can move the Church up to first position and a few
years later move the Legion off the charter, and the number and the
fifty-year mark will remain. In theory the unit number is for all
units chartered by the Charter Organization, but in practice it can
move with the troop where the troop is the actual on -going
organization, and the charter partners are 'flags of convenience.' My
last time as Scoutmaster my troop over the course of the last sixty
years had had half a dozen different charter partners, some of which
no longer existed, yet had retained its number.
Additionally, one could have a conversation with the Legion about
what in fact the Legion does for the Troop, other than to provide a
signature? Will they go to bat for you with the Church as meeting
place or co-sponsor? Will they establish financial support? Will
they actively help you find adults as needed? Would they buy that
shed? Would they provide locks? Is there some way the Legion can
become more a part of the life of the unit? If they keep the number
and equipment, how likely are they to actually have good adult
leaders, a number of boys, storage, and a meeting place? The harder
they find it to answer these questions, the more likely they would
accept a co-sponsor.
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