scouts-l Mail Archive for May of 2000: Re: Leader who breaks the rules
Whiting, Mark D(Z01684) (MWHITING@APSC.COM
Thu May 11 2000 - 16:57:34 CDT
You are completely OK in not wanting or letting the child go on campouts. It
sounds like your council/district backs you up. Just explain that policy to
your committee and ensure you are consistent with it. You are the unit
leader and that's your responsibility. Most everyone here supports that.
What some of us are saying is that we do allow younger kids on a case by
case basis. WE DO NOT THINK IT IS A VIOLATION OF THE GUIDE TO SAFE SCOUTING
to do so. We think that it is OK in some situations. We are supported by our
Councils/Districts. It is NOT a black and white issue (like most situations
are not). It depends on the camp,number of leaders, activities, etc.
What the mother is hearing, may be the same thing going on in this list.
Different units have a different standard and/or interpretation of the
issue. You are the one who defines the situation for your unit.
I did not feel attacked, but I did feel a little irritated that some were
saying that it was breaking the rules to allow any children under any
circumstances. The lady who brought her son against your wishes was flat out
wrong (in my opinion).
Being the SM and responsible for everyone's safety is weighty. It sounds
like to me that you were doing your best with the best of intentions. Being
conservative in the direction of safety is never really wrong (in my
As A new SM I am trying to follow the rules the best I can.I depend on this
list to help guide me. You should not feel insulted from what I have said. I
did not intend to attack anyone, if you still feel that I did I apologize.
Put yourself in this scenario. The council tells me that I am correct and
leader is wrong. That contradicts what 95% of this list has said. 5% of the
list agrees with me either totally or atleast 60%almost completely. What am
to think? Family camping is supposed to have a seperate area set up for that
does it not? That is what I am told anyway. This was not the case here. I
thought this list would point me in the right directon but instead I am
totally confused. JM