scouts-l Mail Archive for May of 2000: Re: OA call out question
Peter Farnham (pfarnham@ASBMB.FASEB.ORG
Mon May 08 2000 - 12:32:44 CDT
In response to Lynn's question, I'm relying on my own understanding of how
things are done, and am not consulting any of my references books on OA,
but I'm pretty sure I'm accurate here.
My comments below are preceded by two dashes ("- -")
YiS & WWW,
Ceremonies Team Adviser
Colonial Chapter, Amangamek Wipit Lodge 470
Order of the Arrow, BSA
OA in our Council is not very active and only through the efforts of one of
our ASM's did we have an election late last year in November and the
District just had it's Camporee this past weekend where they had the call
out. However, no one from our troop was called out, supposedly because
had been elected last year, although this was the first opportunity for the
OA call out since the election.
--Sounds like someone at the chapter (i.e., district) level goofed. Don't
understand the rationale, frankly. Are you sure proper procedures were
followed? A unit schedules an election with the local OA chapter, and on
the appointed night an OUTSIDE (i.e., non-troop) member of the chapter
elections team comes to the meeting to conduct the election; it's not
supposed to be done by the unit itself. After the votes are tabulated,
there is a form to be filed, showing who got elected. Are you certain the
form was filed?
--we had a kid show up for our tapout ceremony two weekends ago who's name
didn't get called; it turned out to be a paperwork screwup at the chapter
level, which we rectified on the spot. We did call the young man out, with
My son was one of those elected, but not called out. To say he was
disappointed would be a major understatement.
--I can understand. Being elected to the Order is an honor, and should be
publicly recognized. Again, unless there was a paperwork screwup, I don't
understand why this didn't happen.
Is there some OA rule that says that they should not have been called out
because the election was last year, even though this was the first
opportunity for a call out?
--Of course not. If the election happened in November, that was only six
months ago and shouldn't have been a factor in whether or not your son and
others got called out. A candidate must complete the ordeal within one year
(365 days) of being called out, but this doesn't sound like a factor given
the facts as stated.
Since Cub Scouts we've been told of the benefits of IMMEDIATE RECOGNITION.
OA call out would seem to be an exception and then to not call out these
kids becasue of the election time frame seems a gross injustice.
--I think it's more likely ignorance and ineptitude rather than
malevolence, especially since you say that the Lodge is not very active
(and therefore not very likely to be on top of the rules). This doesn't
make what happened any more palatable, of course.