scouts-l Mail Archive for April of 2000: Re: OA elections & female Venturing Scouts
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blkeagle@USSCOUTS.ORG
Fri Apr 30 1993 - 12:03:38 CDT
Auntie Beans (Wendies) wrote and asked us for opinion based on what her son
>Son says that there is a requirement for First Class, which of course the girls
>can never achieve in the BSA. He is also concerned that a boy could be in a
>troop for some years, never achieve First Class, coregister in a Ship or Crew
>and be eligible for the OA without ever having achieved First Class.
Not true. My understanding is that Venturing units are currently NOT ALLOWED
to hold Order of the Arrow elections because Venturers are currently NOT
ALLOWED to become OA members.
The Order of the Arrow is a BOY SCOUT PROGRAM ELEMENT, and unlike in the
past whereby male Explorers were allowed to become members meeting the same
advancement and camping requirements as male Scouts, my understanding is
that *only Scouts* may become OA members. That was the reason why the "cut"
was made when Venturing became a program NOT to allow them (both genders) to
become OA members...because they could not meet the First Class rank
There was SOME discussion early on between the Boy Scout and the "unknown
named" division which later became Venturing about allowing the requirements
for the Outdoor Bronze Award to suffice for the First Class requirements.
It broke down because the Boy Scout Division confirmed that the requirements
as written then DID NOT EQUATE to the requirements for Boy Scouts and
Varsity Scouts to meet and they didn't "have time for the (Venturing
Division to) changes to make it more "equatable". It was decided that for
the present, that the OA remain a BOY SCOUT PROGRAM ELEMENT and a motivator
for Boy Scouts and Varsity Scouts.
This is, of course, does not prevent a male Venturer from registering with a
Troop or Team, meeting the requirements for OA membership, and being elected
by his peers in the Troop or Team for the honor.
>However, in Sea Scouting there are req's for some advancement levels (correct
>me if I'm mistaken) that say "complete the requirements for.... (a given MB,
>like small-boat sailing or swimming)" which a girl may do in fulfillment of
>Sea Scout rank advancement but not be awarded the BSA MB.
>I don't see why OA eligibility in Crew, Ship, or Post couldn't include a
statement >like "Complete the requirements for First Class" analogously
(hmmmmm, is that a
>word?). This would establish a baseline competency level for candidates,
>along with the camping & spirit req's.
Post participants, those involved in Learning for Life, are INELIGIBLE for
membership UNLESS they are also registered in a Boy Scout Troop or Team.
Female ADULT LEADERS can become OA members but FEMALE YOUTH members cannot.
Whether female adult leaders whom are 18, 19, or 20 are considered YOUTH
MEMBERS or ADULT MEMBERS of the OA, that's another whole can of worms and
can be debated.
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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