scouts-l Mail Archive for April of 2000: Re: JLT Accident
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blkeagle@USSCOUTS.ORG
Sat Apr 17 1993 - 14:38:14 CDT
I originally read this posting and placed it away; then I thought about what
Sharon stated here:
>Maybe that is why some of us "moms" try extra hard to step back when it comes
>to Boy Scouts and urge the "dads" to get more involved, after all I would
>rather my son to be learning these "safe" things from a man, so that he does
>learn it right rather than an overprotective mom, like I could very well be,
>and others are in troops around.
>Do I hear about it? Yes , but this is BOY SCOUTS not MOM SCOUTS!
There IS a place, Sharon, for "overprotective Moms" within the Scouting
environment. There are too many of us "Macho men" out there that will allow
absouletly ANYTHING in the process of "toughning our boys." Sometimes, we
don't end up teaching anything more than how to "be macho".
When I was younger (I explain it much better in "Patches and Pins", but it's
a long piece and some of it is not appropriate here on Scouts-L), I entered
into a fight with a kid living in the same apartment building as I. He was
a bully, plain and simple, and my father thought at that time that instead
of me retreating and letting this kid run over me, to have me to fight this
kid with boxing gloves.
Nobody bothered to tell my father that part of the reasoning why this kid
was such a bully was the fact that his father was a Golden Gloves winner as
a younger kid, and shared his boxing knowledge to his son, whom promptly
"cleaned my clock" with his bare fists first (not waiting for the gloves)
and later with the gloves on.
"You'll learn, son," was the only comment from my Dad as I sat on the ground
after the double "beatdown". I didn't. I still can't fight at the Golden
Sometimes, many of us Dads feel that in order for their sons to have a truly
"rewarding" Scouting experience, that they have to be involved in
EVERYTHING. They have to experience everything, whether or not the Scout
involved WANTS to experience it. The fear is that the kid will grow up and
resent Dad because he "didn't get" to go to a particular event, or climb a
particular peak, or whatever. The truth may be that the Scout has NO
INTEREST in those things and would rather just mull along as an "average
Scout" and wait until his body and mind gets "stable" enough to do some of
This is also why within any BSA event which may result in injury or death,
that Scouters have to carefully (and in some cases physically) do a risk
analysis of the event or activity. While we cannot remove all risk from
every event, and as we've talked about in this case, accidents do occur and
they have alful results all the way around, we as Scouts CAN listen to both
the "macho men" and the "overprotective moms" and MOST IMPORTANTLY to the "I
really don't want to do this" Scouts in making sure that every event we do
has a purpose, that we allow those whom choose NOT to participate NOT to do
so without penalty or harrassment, and that we plan and conduct those events
as safely as we can...and if we cannot, the event's cancelled or postponed
until we can.
Oh...what happened to the bully?? He later became an Army officer and had
his own version of a "beatdown".
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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