scouts-l Mail Archive for April of 2000: Re: honor medal
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blkeagle@USSCOUTS.ORG
Sat Apr 03 1993 - 11:07:50 CST
John Marmet wrote and asked:
>Once again I have a reference on ebay to the discontinuation of the Honor
>Medal, one of Scouting's oldest awards, given for heroism (only Eagle is
>older, maybe). What is going on? Can anyone explain what National is doing?
> I have heard nothing official about this.
And you won't because that's this guy's way of "juicing up" the award. He's
thinking if he says that the BSA's "no longer giving them out," then his
price will go up that much more.
Twice now, I've wrote to that person and have informed him that "No, the BSA
STILL has the Honor Medal" and that those I've been in touch with at the
BSA's National Court of Honor and with the BSA's Uniform and Insignia
Committee both say that "the Award is NOT going anywhere; the BSA has NO
PLANS to replace it (which was why the BSA introduced the Heroism Award and
scaled back the "standard" for the awarding of the Merit Medal in recent
years), and it along with the Honor Medal with Crossed Palms will continue
to be the BSA's highest-awarded awards for heroism and gallantry while
performing the ultimate sacrifice for service to others."
(don't know about "gallantry", but that's what the Insignia guy said...)
The guy has never wrote me back acknowledging anything. Not even to say
"leave me alone" nor with other, more colorful phrases!
Local Councils WILL receive a new version of the Local Council Certificate
of Merit which will replace the "Certificate of Heroism" which Councils have
been using for years (they weren't supposed to be, but many Councils have
been doing so). The BSA's awards for heroism and meritorious service
consists of six awards, two awarded at the local Council level:
*Letter of Merit: this is written on Council stationary which attests to the
service rendered to a registered Scout or Scouter which does not, in the
view of the Council's Advancement Committee, merit any further award
recommendation. This should be presented to the Scout or Scouter if
feasible as soon as possible after the Committee has made its determination
of the facts surrounding a particular instance.
*Local Council Certificate of Merit: This is the new version of the old
"Certificate for Heroism" or "Certificate for Merit" which Councils have
presented in the past.
The service or heroism does not in the Council's opinion merit the awarding
of the Heroism Award, but does merit more than the Letter of Merit.
*Heroism Award: As the BSA's materials indicate, this is awarded for heroism
of a lesser degree than that of the Honor Medal. National Court of Honor
confirms award based upon local Council recommendation. Medal, certificate
and square knot for informal wear.
*Merit Medal: Newer BSA materials will indicate that this is awarded for
service of a lesser degree under exceptional circumstances than those would
be expected of a youth or adult member normally. This is the BSA's highest
service award. National Court of Honor confirms award based upon local
Council recommendation. Medal, certificate and square knot for informal wear.
*Honor Medal: As the BSA's materials indicate, this is awarded for heroism
at risk of personal safety or life, as measured by the degree of heroism
displayed in the materials sent to the National Court of Honor by the local
Council. Medal, certificate and square knot for informal wear.
*Honor Medal with Crossed Palms: As the BSA's materials indicate, this is
awarded for heroism at EXTREME RISK of personal safety or life, as measured
by the degree of heroism displayed in the materials sent to the National
Court of Honor by the local Council. Medal with crossed bronze palms on the
ribbon of the medal, certificate and square knot for informal wear
(individuals must request additional crossed bronze palms for knot if
desired). This is the highest Boy Scouts of America award for heroism.
EBay has a LOT of items out on it which are mis-labeled, mis-identified and
right out lies; and because many times the individual doesn't provide a scan
or photo of the item to demonstrate what EXACTLY it is, you have to really
rely on eBay's "buyer beware" adage. If there's any question, ask the
seller to provide you written documentation of what the item is BEFORE you
bid on it. I ran across the week before last, an "Eagle Scout Badge on
marble base". It interested me, because I would like to have such an item
in my new office the Reserve center is building me and my Web development
team. When I looked at the photo, however, I smiled but I wasn't surprised:
It was a marble base with the "universal emblem" (the "tenderfoot emblem")
attached to the base. When I posted the guy and asked him "Who told you it
was an Eagle Scout Badge on that base?", he wrote back and explained:
"I don't know. I saw the Eagle there and thought that's what the Eagle
Badge looked like." I sent him a scan of what the ACTUAL Badge looks like,
from a BSA handbook, and he changed the description of the item that
afternoon. (many auction places know that wording like "Eagle Scout", "OA",
and "pre-fdl" (pre-fleur-de-lis, as in the case of many BSA badges made
before 1975) bring in "more hits" to your page than just a plain description
of "badge, Boy Scout...")
Not everyone is *that receptive*, however. I've had one guy selling Eagle
Scout presentation kits starting at $40 each to tell me "to mind my own
business". He bought 100 of the current presentation kits (complete with
the flat Eagle, the two pins on the back, etc. etc,...each kit runs about
$12 each) and are selling them for as much as $60 a piece. I never asked
him how he's "come across" so many kits.
I didn't want to hear the answer.
Isn't America great?!
(DISCLAIMER: I do sell and buy Scouting and computer items on eBay and
consider it a good way to sell and buy items important to me. I do not own
stock in eBay. Anything I sell I try to give as complete a description of
what it is, but even I get it wrong too, as in the example of a recent item
I have finished an auction on. It was a old OA lodge flap taken from an
Explorer shirt. My stuff here says that the Lodge folded; two Scouters,
including the Scouter that eventually bought the item from me, says that the
Lodge merged and kept the name but has a new Lodge number. I changed the
description to reflect the additional information as soon as I found out the
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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