scouts-l Mail Archive for March of 2000: Re: Mandatory Use of Life to Eagle
Paul S. Wolf (paul.s.wolf@ALUM.WPI.EDU
Tue Mar 28 2000 - 21:10:40 CST
Bob Lazell wrote:
> This brings up a question I've wanted to ask the list for a while.
> It is not a requirements question, and rules are not the issue. I
> would like to know what the common practice is in your troop in regard
> to what sort of Project Proposal and Eagle Project Final Report your
> boys prepare? The short offical workbook has never seemed to address
> all the questions that come up.
The common practice in my troop, and in all the projects I've reviewed
as a member of the District Advancement Committee, has been to basically
use the workbook alone, with pages added as needed. Although the
workbook instructions specifically say, "You may add as many pages as
needed to thoroughly complete the workbook.", we really don't expect to
see "professionally" prepared write-ups of the type you seem to describe
below. And we sure do not ask for nor expect multiple copies.
> Our boys have always followed a more extensive report form and
> prepared something more along the lines of what you might expect in a
> professional report. A similar format is used for the proposal. We
> find that this really helps them in step by step planning and seeing
> all the details involved in even a modest project.
The proposal need not be as detailed as you are apparently demanding. A
6-10 page report is probably way too detailed. If the proposal explains
the project in general terms, sufficient to determine that the project
will be of benefit, and will allow the Candidate to show leadership,
that's all that's needed for approval by the organization, unit
committee member, unit leader, and council or district representative.
As for helping them "in step by step planning and seeing all the details
involved in even a modest project.", the project is designed to be a
learning and leadership experience. The Scout does not need to have
every detail planned before he gets approval to begin. Sure, if they
have a lot of details worked out, that's great, but unnecessary.
> The end product is usually around 6 to 10 pages for each. For the
> final report they attach their future plans essay, a resume (which
> satifies the "list your accomplishment and awards requirment), a copy
> of the benefiting organizations acceptace of the project letter and
> copies of any fund-raising or thank-you letters they produced for the
Sure, attaching copies of the letters, photos, lists of workers, etc. is
encouraged and expected as part of the workbook, but it still doesn't
mean making a 6-10 page "professional" report.
The workbook and any attachments, the resume, and the future plans essay
should accompany the APPLICATION form, of course. However, these are
separate documents, not one big report.
> After Troop approval (the Scout usuallly needs to make a few
> corrections) a suitable number of copies are sent to the Council Eagle
> Board Chair. When the Eagle board is held, the candidate brings
> photos and any support material not included (maps, diagrams etc.).
There should be no "troop approval" after the project. The workbook is
the SCOUT's work, and should stand on its own merits. The signature of
the SM on page 8 only certifies that the project was planned, developed,
and carried out by the candidate. Similarly, there should be no "copy
of the benefiting organizations acceptance of the project letter". All
that is needed is a signature at the bottom of page 8 of the workbook,
right after the SM's. If the organization sends a letter in lieu of
signing the workbook, the ORIGINAL should be attached, since an original
signature is required.
> So, what sayeth the list? As I stated, we're not talking requirements
> here, but, the methods used in guiding our boys to a sucessful
> execution of a project that does meet the requirments.
I don't know about the rest of the list, but the word that comes to my
mind is OVERKILL.
Paul S. Wolf, PE mailto:Paul.S.Wolf@alum.wpi.edu
Advancement/Safety Webmaster, USSSP http://www.usscouts.org
Winding Rivers Dist. Advancement Comm., Greater Cleveland Council, BSA