scouts-l Mail Archive for March of 2000: Re: Patrol Leader Patch & other Uniform Issues
Jack W. Sandoz, Jr. (jsandoz@EARTHLINK.NET
Fri Mar 17 2000 - 05:20:01 CST
The Scarlett Family wrote:
> Can any one tell my son (and I) what the 2 stripes on the patrol leader
> patch stand for or represent?
I'm going back a long way to Officer Training, so someone may correct me.
The PLC asked me why the ASPL Patch was fancier ("GOLD") than the SPL
In the U.S. military (Silver, being more precious than brass, represents
One Bar (Brass not Gold) = 2nd. Lieutenant
One Bar (Silver not Brass) = 1st. Lieutenant
Two Bars (Silver) = Captain
Oak Leaf (Brass) = Major
Oak Leaf (Silver) = Lt. Colonel
Eagle (Silver) = Lt. Colonel
One Star (Silver) = Brigadier General
BTW, in the U.S.A.F., it's considered "unlucky" therefore Not Tradition to
polish one's wings.
Regarding 'Hats Indoors':
As I recall, soldiers under arms "packin'" and couriers under orders (carrying
do not remove their hats or helmets. Has anyone ever seen a soldier with a
While the BSA definitely says we do not "imitate" the uniform of any of our
branches of service, the scout uniform has always been a military style. Was
(is) B-P's hat called a "Campaign Hat" because it was a) the style of officers
on a military campaign or b) the style of politicians campaigning for office?
<g>For $200.00, is that your FINAL answer or do you want to call a friend?<g>
I look to the list for answers, not to make trouble, but here's our PLC's
" The official BSA cargo pants are ill-fitting, too restrictive and the tiny
pockets on the pockets are useless. Why can't we wear Camo or at least Olive
Drab (Orders of the Day)
loose, not baggy, fatigues or cargo pants from the Uniform or Army/Navy Store
as long as our troop is uniform?"
Baden-Powell's wisdom was incredible and timeless. My intrepretation of the
quote below is that the SM is "up to date". My boys (the ones that own me) tell
me that they want to take pride in the way they look in their uniform and the
"official" pants are a zero.
"I had stipulated that the position of Scoutmaster was to be neither
of a school-master nor of a commanding officer, but rather that of an
elder brother among his boys, not detached or above them, but himself
joining in their activities and sharing their enthusiasm, and thus,
in the position to know them individually, able to inspire their
and to suggest new diversions when his finger on their pulse told him
attraction of any present craze was wearing off."
Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell, pp 265-266, "LESSONS OF A
First Printing 1933 Henry Holt and Company, New York
I tell the scouts that they run the troop. They don't believe me when I veto
their choice of pants. They love doing scouting activities but they want a
uniform they feel good about wearing. I wear my uniform with pride but the
elder brother inside me says, "Tell them to pick some smart, cool looking pants
that work". I could be a commanding officer and dictate to them but I'd hate
that. I think B-P would hate that, too.
I want Scouts to be smart and cool with full respect for the oath, law,
mission, purpose, aims and methods?
How much latitude can I give them and their elder brother?
Jack W. Sandoz, Jr. firstname.lastname@example.org
SM Troop 007
Granada Hills, CA
Balboa Oaks District
West L. A. County Council