scouts-l Mail Archive for March of 2000: Re: Drunk Dad (also see Zero Tolerance)
Daniel D. Hammond, Sr (hammonddL@USWEST.NET
Sat Mar 18 2000 - 17:09:56 CST
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Rod Smith wrote:
> I have a situation that I need some input and direction
> At a Cub Scout pack campout this past weekend, there was a
dad there that
> was consuming alcohol and was drunk on BSA property. The
(. . . . . snip for clarity, whoever she is)
> Institutional Head that will ban the father from
participating in pack
> activities. The Scout office will not sign the letter
because they say it
> is the responsibility of the Charter organization to deal
with the situation.
Then on Thu, 16 Mar 2000 Petey Parish wrote:
"Here is Zero Tolerance on another level. DO NOT MISREAD
THIS. I do
not condone drinking at scout functions, however, just as
the young man
came to school with a pocket knife and was expelled, here is
a dad (no
matter that he has a problem and used poor judgement in
coming to an
outing). Let's get our stories together. If you advocate
for the knife incident, then lets ban the father. On the
other hand if
you disagree with Zero Tolerance, let's get the dad some
help and let him
learn from his mistake. Which sounds more reasonable to
Let's do away with Zero Tolerance everywhere and start
problems out instead of taking EVERYTHING to the lowest
Flame suit firmly in place, fire away.!!!"
I surely won't flame Petey! I think his comments are right
on the money. If I remember content from the original post
correctly, this is a non-registered, ergo non-trained,
parent. He probably has never had anyone explain BSA
policies about alcohol and tobacco (both are prohibited at
activities where youth are present, page 19 Guide to Safe
Scouting). Sure he made an ass of himself and left the
leaders and other parents with a situation that would
require explanations to the boys. But I would view this as
one of those famous "teachable moments."
While the situation appears to be unsavory, it is an
excellent vehicle to use to further discuss drug and alcohol
abuse and the repercussions that come along with them. Use
this as an opportunity. Perhaps the parent involved does
indeed need some help. This sort of embarrassing situation
can sometimes be the catalyst that causes that to happen.
I can think of a couple of alternative punishments for his
behavior other than banning him from any future activities.
Since drugs, alcohol and tobacco are all PROHIBITED at
activities where youth are present, would you ban another
parent for smoking a cigarette or dipping snuff?
Right along with the thread on the pocketknife at school,
let's make sure that mistakes are things that we can learn
from and use to teach others, not something that ends a
possibly beneficial relationship (the father might benefit
from exposure to Scouting). There should be a way to turn
this into something positive.
Yours in ScOUTing,
Daniel D. Hammond, Sr.
CM Pack 225 and Black Hills District Committee
I used to be an Owl (W-CS-44) Working my Ticket
I have come to realize that there are two types of adults
involved in Scouts!
Those that act...
And those who find all the time in the world to drop off
their Scout for a meeting or camp!