scouts-l Mail Archive for March of 2000: FW: A pocket knife is a weapon...
Wed Mar 15 2000 - 10:43:53 CST
> and therein lies the ultimate falsity - life is replete with
> exceptions and waivers for good cause.
true however the rule is the rule. Schools in the 2 states that I've been
involved with all made perfectly clear at parent night and in paperwork sent
home the first week that "zero-tolerance" was the policy for drugs, guns and
knives and also what the penelties were for violation.
>the 4 schools that I have been directly involved with
> ALWAYS sent home a policy statement including dress codes and
> rules with
> a form for the child and parent to sign stating that they are aware of
> the rules. This is usually included with opening day info."
> Wow, applying legalistic adult type paperwork to a kid.
The paper work was addressed to the parents and requested the parents to
sign stating that THE PARENT read the rules, understood them, and have
discussed them with their child. In my son's current school they also
request that the student sign the document too. I don't believe that they
are "legal" docs but if you sign it your sure can't claim ignorance
> (1), The papers were, at best, crushed into tiny balls in the
> nether recesses of their book bags:
> (2), Normally, the papers would have been lost with the book bag at
> a friend's house;
my exerperiance also, UNTIL I discussed that with my son and explained that
those papers were for ME and that he had better see that they were taken
care of properly and delivered to me promptly like his teacher expected them
to be. I believe the term is called parenting.
> (4), Such paperwork becomes "boiler plate" and no attention is paid
> to it until disaster strikes; and then
just because one views a document a "boiler plate" doesn't make it so.
Sounds like disaster DID NOT strike, yet the policy was enforced
> (5), The administrators abdicate their responsibility to their
> CHILDREN and fall back on their morally bankrupt policy.
what is the morally bankrupt portion of the policy the zero tolerance or the
> The most common weapon used in the USA is "hands and feet". Knives
> and even firearms are away down on the list according to the National
> Safety Council.
may be true, but it doesn't matter since the policy covers guns and knives
for what ever reason they were singled out
> "Rules are rules and unfortunately school violence has become a
> problem which > has led to these rules."
> First, such inflexibility when applied to children is an admission
> of failed pedagogy.
I don't know what pedagogy means, however sounds like an opinion and not a
> Second, the implication is simply incorrect. Violence is down on a
> statistical basis. It is only "up" on a media sensation basis".
maybe however alot of reactions are to perceived threats not actual ones
I still don't think there is a place for personal knives or guns at a
school, PERIOD! I don't have a problem with zero tolerance maybe the
punishment is a liltle strong but the policy of no guns or knives is not
So do you just choose what rules you think are fair and abide by those and
disregard the rest that you don't agree with, or do you abide by the rule
until you change the law through the system?
just my opinion,