scouts-l Mail Archive for March of 2000: Re: When should Webelos get their cross over ceremony?
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM
Fri Mar 03 2000 - 22:48:36 CST
> From: Scouts-L Youth Group List [mailto:Scouts-L@listserv.tcu.edu]On
> Behalf Of Barry_C_Runnels@MMACMAIL.JCCBI.GOV
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 12:38 PM
> >The Webelos scout benefits enormously by having a few months in his cub
> >pack as the "top dog". It allows the Webelos to begin to spend time in a
> >leadership position, which helps prepare him for the boy scouts, where,
> >obviously, leadership is stressed.
> >Pete Farnham
> Great post. My experience as a CM and SM is almost the same. I
> suggest everyone read Pete's post again. Seem like these days
> each Scout is an individual caught in a program where we adults
> try to pull them through in groups. That's why boy run is so hard,
> it's designed to work with the Scout individually. I find the
> more the unit is driven toward the group, the less boy run it is.
Using Barry's post merely because it was one of many, I want to make a
couple of comments.
First, I read an awful lot about when the PACK should bridge the Webelos
Scouts, or when is the best time for the DEN to cross over. Well, packs
and dens don't bridge or cross over. INDIVIDUAL Webelos Scouts do.
In order to be eligible to join a Boy Scout troop a boy must either be 11,
have completed 5th grade, or have earned the Arrow of Light. The moment he
has completed the Arrow of Light (and IMO that is when he has completed the
requirements and had them signed off, whether it has been presented to him
yet or not) he is eligible to join a Boy Scout troop. The decision on when
to do so rests SOLELY with the boy and his parents. The Cub leaders can
discuss with the family and make suggestions, but the ultimate decision is
up to the family.
Also, the boy is free to bridge to whatever troop he wishes and a troop
sponsored by the same CO as the pack has no proprietary right to the
bridging Webelos Scouts. The den certainly need not all bridge as a group.
While they may wish to remain with their friends, often the different
personalities of different troops are better suited for different boys.
Finally, as with everything else, what we do must be for the boy. Thus,
waiting to hold a crossover ceremony until there is a group that needs to
bridge, because it is easier, is, IMO inappropriate. We are here to serve
the boys and if one or more Cubs with the AOL decides that now is the time
to bridge, then I believe the Pack has an obligation to do a crossover
ceremony now, even it they will have to do another one later.
Now, from the troop standpoint, just because a boy is qualified to join Boy
Scouts does not mean that every troop has to accept him on his schedule.
Thus, if the troop feels that he is not ready for Boy Scouting, for
example, they do not need to accept him at that time. If they want to have
an entire new Scout patrol join at about the same time, they might ask him
to weight. (Why any troop would want to use a NSP patrol is an entirely
different discussion, which I really don't feel like having at this
So, to summarize, a Cub is free to join a troop any time after he has
completed his AOL, and it is the family's decision on when the right time
is, what troop to join, etc., provide the chosen troop is willing to accept
the boy at that time. The Pack has an obligation to support the Cub and
his family in that decision and to provide the proper ceremonial farewell.
Bruce E. Cobern
Founders District, Queens Council, NY