scouts-l Mail Archive for March of 2000: Re: Be Prepared?
Jim McMaster (mcmaster@SWENG.STORTEK.COM
Tue Feb 29 2000 - 18:24:49 CST
In message <email@example.com>, Cheri Mertins said:
> As I was reading through this post, I was appauled.
> It seems that everyone is always rushing to turn those Cubs into Scouts.
Yes, I will plead guilty. I am a Scoutmaster, and my experience and studies
show Scouts who have a good experience at summer camp are more likely to stay
in Boy Scouting than those who do not. In the six weeks or so the Webelos
Leaders want us to have, it is very difficult to prepare them for a good
summer camp experience. I feel it is better to keep them in Boy Scouts for
seven years than in Cub Scouts for an extra three months.
Another factor is peer pressure. In Boulder, we recently moved from a
7th-9th grade junior high system to a 6th-8th middle school system. Scouts
is still okay in elementary school, but becomes very uncool at the next
level. We used to have Scouts for 15-16 months before peer pressure became a
problem. Now it is only 3-4 with a late crossover. Extending that to 6-7
months with a February crossover might give the new Scouts a chance to have
enough fun to help them combat the peer pressure.
> it really cripples a Pack to loose the older boys so early in
> a program year.
Yes, Cub Scouts is a good program. I was a Webelos Leader, and I recognize
the benefits of Cub Scouting. The vast majority of Cub Scouting occurs in
dens. Unless my pack was very different from yours, the only pack activity
was the monthly pack meeting. Some activities (skit, game, flag ceremonies)
were assigned to dens. The Cubmaster handled almost everything else. I
don't really agree that losing your 2nd-year Webelos in February instead of
Aptil-May "cripples" a pack. Just let the 2nd-year Webelos dens do their
part early in the year and have the other dens take over once the older
I originally wanted my Webelos to cross over in February of the 2nd year. At
the beginning of the first year, I planned the whole program to enable them
to get not only the AOL, but all 20 pins by that time. The Webelos begged to
stay through the Pinewood Derby in March of the second year, which meant an
April crossover and I acceded to that request. Then, they were so bored,
only three of the eight even bothered to build cars. I had two months of
field trips and game nights because they were done with the program. Planned
properly, a February crossover is not only doable, but beneficial.
> Being awarded a Scout rank should
> not be held at a Cub Scout Pack ceremony, which is what a Crossover ceremony
> is. But, this is my opinion.
Here we agree. We are having crossovers starting this weekend. We present
the troop neckerchief at the crossover, but the Scout Badge at the first
Please do not take this as a flame. I disagree with your opinions, but I am
not criticizing you for holding them. I hope you will think about my
opinions in the spirit in which I offer them.
Scoutmaster, Troop 70; Longs Peak Council, BSA; Boulder, CO, USA
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