scouts-l Mail Archive for February of 2000: Re: Be Prepared?
Dave Pragel (pragel@HOME.COM
Sun Feb 27 2000 - 09:05:06 CST
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 06:58:20 -0800
From: Bruce <bhc54@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Be Prepared?
This situation seems to parallel one that came up
a week or so ago. I'll have to make a couple of
assumptions. (Yeah, I know all about the definition
of "assume"! <vbg>)
1. This Webelos Den Leader, soon to be ASM (New Scouts) is
already active in troop, has undergone SMF/SALT, and has
the blessings of the SM. Then there may not be any
with the situation described, save one, which I will
mention later. (Then again, I'm having a very hard time
an experienced Scouter wanting to do what Paula describes.)
2. Paula's troop is facing the gung-ho parent situation
that most of us are painfully aware of. This parent has no
experience in the Boy Scout portion of the program.
He also has not attended SMF/SALT. I'm thinking this is,
in fact, the case.
1. >At the crossover ceremony, the Webelos Den
> Leader would like each boy tested for Scout, have a
> Scoutmaster conference right there, and be given the rank
> at the ceremony/Blue & Gold Banquet.
This is a B&G Banquet, not a troop meeting. Just the
logistics of trying to test the boys and having a
meaningful SM conference would be disruptive to both the
boys and all the other folks attending the banquet.
The best crossover ceremonies I've seen are were the SM
and/or other adult leaders have a minimal, if any, role in
the ceremony. The new scouts need to be welcomed by the
boys in the troop.
The MAJOR Problem (mentioned in 1., above): If these Cub
Scouts are receiving any Cub Scout awards this night, such
as the AOL, they must be registered CUB Scouts. To receive
the Scout badge, they must be registered BOY Scouts. They
can't be both on the same day.
2. >He also will meet with prospective Troop Guides and
> pick out which one he wants for the New Boy Patrol
> (this Webelos Den leader was already told he could
> serve as the New Boy Patrol ASM.)
A couple of points/questions:
Who has told him he can serve as the New Scout
Has he been registered in the Troop yet?
Troop Guides are appointed by the SPL, not picked
out by the ASM.
It's my humble opinion that a troop that would permit
this situation, as described, probably has a weak SM and
> Is this typical?
I hope not. Sounds like another case of "good intentions,
Good luck, and Good Scouting!
SA, Troop 351
<Just trying to do the next right thing.>
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I agree completely with Bruce. New parents, if they want to work on the
program side, are told they can not work with their own son (by default
first year Scouts). A few years ago, we had a new ASM that had a problem
with this. He left after a few months.
With one exception, all of my ASMs are trained. The one who isn't works
Saturdays and that is the only time SMF is held. Still working that
issue at the District level. Getting this new leader trained may solve
the problems. However, some leaders still think that a Troop is
equivalent to Webelos III.
In the Troop I'm associated with, new Scouts are tested on the Scout
requirements the first Troop meeting they attend. I tell them at the B&G
bridging that their "homework" is to complete the parent guide in the
front of the handbook. Then one of the ASMs can run through the Scout
requirements at the meeting. This has been very successful.
Just a small correction- According to the SM Handbook, Troop Guides are
"supposed to be" appointed by the SM. YMMV.
I used to be a Bobwhite...
Bull Run District Training Staff