scouts-l Mail Archive for February of 2000: Re: Webelos
MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle (blkeagle@USSCOUTS.ORG
Mon Feb 22 1993 - 17:56:45 CST
Paul Wolf and I do agree:
>As I (Paul) said previously, if he isn't 11, and/or if he is still in the
5th grade, and
>he hasn't earned the Arrow of Light yet, he SHOULDN'T transfer.
Unfortunately, Paul, there are local Councils that are basically "pushing"
Packs to move those boys to Boy Scouting by the spring of their 5th grade.
This presents this problem that I have posted and addressed before here:
the idea that we "HAVE TO MOVE THEM ONWARD BEFORE SUMMER CAMP STARTS UP."
No, we have to MOVE THEM ONWARD WHEN THEY BECOME SCOUTING AGE. I agree with
Paul that they should remain in the WEBELOS Den, doing the WEBELOS things
and if possible, earning the Arrow of Light. But if he turns 11 or he
graduates from the fifth grade and hasn't earned the Arrow of Light yet,
then as I stated earlier:
>> Nope. When he "crosses over", we are saying that his Cub Scouting
>> is all over with except for the memories. He should be registered
>> that evening if not before as a Boy Scout and therefore Boy Scouts
>> cannot earn Cub Scouting advancement (Activity Badges and Arrow of
Patrick Hummert wrote:
>> Can a Webelos Cub Scout choose to remain as such for say, an extra
>> month, so as time to earn his Arrow Of Light while others in the Pack
>> Cross Over?.......
To again Paul and I agree:
>DEFINITELY, In fact he SHOULD. A Cub shouldn't transfer until HE is
>ready to, not when someone else thinks he's ready to transfer.
>The "Cross over ceremony" is just that, a "CEREMONY". The official
>transfer takes place when the application to be a Boy Scout is turned in
>to the council registrar.
>And, as others have said, SO LONG as he hasn't been transferred
>officially on the council's roster from the Pack to the Troop, he can
>continue with the Webelos advancement until he either completes the
>Arrow of Light, or finishes the 5th grade and turns 11.
This is where the Pack has to make their minds up to IGNORE what the Council
wants them to do and do things in the best interest of the youth of THEIR PACK.
It's important, I'm sure, to move those youth to the Boy Scout column as
soon as possible...but they should NOT move until THEY are ready to do so.
Lots of Packs hold "crossovers" in the spring and move ALL of their WEBELOS
Cub Scouts over in one lump like it's a school graduation.....as Paul
stated, EACH SCOUT IS UNIQUE.
And as the BSA proudly states, "Each Scout progresses at his OWN rate and
speed" through the advancement process, whether it's Cub Scouting or Boy
Scouting or Venturing. We don't "mass move" kids from one "stage" to
another "stage" for the convience of the adults...or the desires of the
local Council to keep their "Boy Scouting numbers up." A good Council will
manage those numbers by insuring that Packs report when their youth become
Boy Scouts...and Troops should do their part by correctly completing and
turning in the Boy Scout applications when their new Scouts join their Troop.
But each Scout progresses at their own rate, and if that Scout didn't get
the Arrow of Light before he became 11 years of age or completed the fifth
grade (whichever came first), then it's "too bad, so sad, call your Dad."
He cannot earn the Arrow of Light while registered as a Boy Scout. Nor can
he earn any WEBELOS Activity badges while registered as a Boy Scout.
Hope that clarifies what I was talking about, and thanks Paul, for the
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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