scouts-l Mail Archive for February of 2000: Re: Is this a job for the Scoutmaster? (2nd time)
Ken Walker (ken.walker@MSCSOFTWARE.COM
Tue Feb 22 2000 - 12:54:34 CST
Ignore the previous message. It was SENT before I was DONE.
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Darryl Hammill <darryl.hammill@NCMAIL.NET> wrote:
>>"A report from the scoutmaster on exactly what scouts in leadership
>>positions have done to fulfill the responsibilities of those positions."
>>I thought, at first, that this was an interesting item to add. But, on
>>further reflection, I wonder if this is a question that the SM should
>>answer? Or, is this a question that the SPL should answer?
To which (MAJ) Mike Walton <blkeagle@USSCOUTS.ORG> added:
>This is a question which is none of the Troop Committee's ROUTINE business,
>This, if ANYONE should be answering, is the area of the Senior Patrol Leader
>(SPL). He appointed those youth to those positions of responsibility, and
>therefore the "buck stops" with him. If a young man isn't "doing his job"
>to the satisfaction of the SPL (and the Scoutmaster), then the SPL should be
>the one doing the first counselling and/or corrective actions.
>After all, it is the SPL's Troop...NOT the "Scoutmaster's".
remainder deleted for brevity....
I too found Darryl's dilemma to be an interesting one. Upon reflection
of the various roles for adult leaders in a troop, came to much the same
initial conclusion as Mike (ie the committee is "snooping around").
However, I disagree about the SPL reporting directly to the TC.
Let's review these roles:
The Troop Committee-responsible for operation of the troop and "selects" a:
Scoutmaster-who is responsible for managing the troop's program THROUGH
the youth leadership.
The SPL/PLC are elected/appointed by the other Scouts, but work under the
SM's guidance and training.
If you look at a troop "org chart", the PLC "reports to" the SPL, who "reports
to" the SM, and the SM then "reports to" the TC. The SPL reporting directly
to the TC skips a step in the chain of command. Note, the reporting structure
in the Troop does not follow the hire/fire structure (unlike the corporate
Although I am a VERY STRONG believer in a boy-led (not just boy-run) program,
I am an even stronger believer in keeping the boys out of the adult's politics.
*IF* the TC really wants a report, the SM should provide the report, as given
to him by the SPL/PLC. In this way the boys are reporting on "their program",
but are doing it through the SM (who the TC hires/fires). In addition, if the
TC really is up to "no good", an adult is much better equipped to deal with
their questions than most youth (just call me an overly protective dad!). At
the end of the day, if the TC has an issue with the youth leadership, they
CAN NOT do anything about it directly, but only through the Scoutmaster they
select to manage the program side of the Troop. Therefore, this is the person
that should give/take info to the TC.
Just my opinion....
Ken Walker, CM P-200, ASM T-259
District Training Committee
Circle 10 Council/Great Plains District - Plano, TX
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