scouts-l Mail Archive for February of 2000: Re: When are Scouts Provisional?
Neil Lupton (NeilLup@AOL.COM
Thu Feb 17 2000 - 09:47:06 CST
In a message dated 2/17/00 8:50:16 AM, howlers@INTELIPORT.COM writes:
<< Are they provisional? And if so how do they go to camp as such? >>
You have gotten some good counsel. I also think that I can feel the
frustration in your post.
If I may suggest it, pls step back and look at it as if it were another unit
being written about in another part of the country. The Troop is going to
camp X at time Y. The new Webelos Scouts cannot make it then, but they want
to go to Scout camp so much that they have made arrangements to go to another
camp A at time B.
This doesn't sound like a bad thing. Rather, it sounds as if you
potentially have a really live wire bunch of Webelos Scouts and parents who
could make great contribution. The problem would seem to keep personal
feelings and hurt feelings from getting stronger and getting in the way of
long term cooperation.
As far as your question, are they provisional? That is a factual question.
Either they and the camp consider them provisional and will assign them to
be part of the provisional unit or they will not. As Darryl has said, if
they are not provisional, then they will be expected to provide their own
leadership. If that leadership is untrained, the camp will do their best
to see that the boys have a good program, but in many ways, if what is sent
is a group of untrained boys and untrained leaders, the camp will consider
their job to be done if the boys return home with all body parts intact.
So that gets so the second question which is an opinion question -- SHOULD
the boys go as provisional? For the reasons Darryl listed, probably. They
will be with a trained Scoutmaster with a group of other boys of varying
capability. Normally in a provisional Troop, the boys would be scattered
throughout the Troop, but perhaps, they could be kept together as a working
patrol within the provisional Troop and the adults who go up with them could
be leaders within the provisional Troop. This would, of course, be up to
the camp and up to them but perhaps it would be acceptable and perhaps not.
If they are adamant about not being provisional, perhaps they could combine
with another Troop for the campout if there were another Troop which would
work with them. My first year as a Boy Scout, my brand new Troop went with
another Troop for this reason. Or at least, one of the camp Commissioners
could work especially carefully with them to help them and provide some ad
hoc training for their leaders.
Don't expect much backup for your position from your council/district/camp,
particularly if they are going to a camp from a council other than yours.
In most councils, if Satan showed up from out of council with a patrol of
fallen angels willing to pay full price for a week at camp, they would be
If I might make a suggestion, it seems that if you bicker with them, they
will go their own way and ignore you. Probably the most that you can do is
to try to help them have the best experience possible. Are they "right" in
what they are doing? Hard to say. But if you work with them to help them
have the best possible experience in what they are choosing to do, then you
stand the best chance to have one eager enthusiastic Troop when the fall
rolls around rather than a couple of groups each trying to show that they
really are the controlling group.