scouts-l Mail Archive for February of 2000: Re: What Sayeth the List?
Paul S. Wolf (paul.s.wolf@ALUM.WPI.EDU
Mon Feb 14 2000 - 22:57:05 CST
Bruce Arnold said:
> The second time I counseled him I told him I would have difficulty
> signing off on his Eagle Scout Leadership requirement since he hasn't
> been on the campouts to represent the troop.
Jim O'Quinn wrote:
> Boy Led. If the troop wants to have a new election, based on PLC and
> Troop vote, so be it. A little peer pressure may be more effective
> than any quantity of adult pressure.
I agree completely here. A good suggestion all the way around.
> As for signing off on the Eagle ap, that may be a whole 'nother ball
> of wax. August to mid Feb is pushing 6 months. The requirement is
> "Serve actively for 6 months." There could be another big discussion
> about what constitutes active. The situation may have gone on long
> enough so that the all that is left is guidance for the future in a
> like situation.
In fact, if he has served as SPL for 6 months since becoming a Life
Scout, you can NOT deny the advancement because he didn't meet YOUR
definition of "active" by not going on campouts. He has met the
requirement already. BSA has stated numerous times that no one may
apply any subjective or quantitative criteria to that requirement,
except "Has he served in one or more of those positions for the required
period (6 months or more) while registered as a member of the unit and
BSA, and after reaching the rank of Life Scout?" How well he served is
not a criterion.
The requirement, which actually reads, "While a Life Scout, serve
actively for a period of 6 months in one or more of the following
positions of responsibility:" does NOT require LEADERSHIP at all.
Leadership is required ONLY for the project, where the requirement
reads, in part, "While a Life Scout, plan, develop, and give leadership
to others in a service project ..."
Also, remember, for EAGLE, the Scout lists the various requirements on
the application. "Signing off" in his book, really isn't necessary. So
he can list the position, and how he met all the other requirements,
meet with you for his SM Conference, and then ask for your signature on
the application. If you REFUSE to sign, he can appeal, and would be
allowed to advance anyway.
Paul S. Wolf, PE mailto:Paul.S.Wolf@alum.wpi.edu
Advancement/Safety Webmaster, USSSP http://www.usscouts.org