scouts-l Mail Archive for February of 2000: Re: LNT v. Camporee
Phil Combs (pcombs@LMI22.COM
Wed Feb 02 2000 - 17:47:06 CST
T. W. Hess said....
>Rich raises more specifically the question I had in my last
>post on this subject. Is the use of LNT mandatory in all
Why shouldn't LNT be used in all situations?
An example of one LNT Principle is reducing / eliminating the use of
fire. When planning for our Winter Camporee, our SPL knows that we build
our campfires in a firepit elevated off the ground with nomex on the
ground. He also plans and assigns Scouts to bring firewood from home,
the SPL also plans on packing out the unburnt wood, and scattering the
ashes over a large area. The key to this action is knowing the impact
our actions place upon the environment.
Our Winter Camporee is held at a local Scout Reservation that has been
inexsistance for nearly 46 years. So you can imagine the amount of
impact that has already been delivered. Our goal is to minimize OUR
impact. We do this by protecting the ground from fire and removing the
unburnt wood to minimize the visual impact.
Now since this is a District event, we will be 28 people out of 300 for
the weekend. Will our LNT efforts be required? Yes! Because we will
return next year, and the environment will not have had one or two
additional campfires scaring the ground. Now only if I can assist others
in reducing the impact of campfires.
> Phil C. implied in his reply to my last post that
>he extensively / exclusively(?) used LNT practices. That
>just seems like 'overkill' to me. For example the scenario that
>Rich describes below.
Please define "overkill"?
If the term is to express an undue or excessive amount of effort / time,
then I believe you might be missing the most beautiful creation of all.
I have taken my Troop out to enjoy hiking in "Yellowstone" this past
summer while at Camp Loll. While on the "Seven Mile Hole Trail" (which
has great views of the "Yellowstone Falls") we came to a beautiful
meadow that had waist high grass. One of my Scouts suggested to another
that it would be fun to run through the grass. I asked them what they
thought of the beauty of that "Pristine" meadow, (you know, the type of
perfection that only nature can create). They both expressed that it was
"awesome!!" and I asked them to envision the meadow with paths and
trampled grass throughout. My point was not missed on the two Scouts,
They reflected on the beauty of nature and one even said, "yea, we'd
just screw it up". Another of the LNT Principles is "Camp and Travel on
Durable Surfaces". For our discussion I would conclude that the meadow
in my story would not be durable. But back in the Winter Camporee story,
meadow walking would be the accepted method to cross a field. Why??
Different environments, different levels of impact, different times of
>Of course to use LNT .... would necessitate
>decisions about when it is appropriate and when not, what is
>"backcountry" and what is not, etc.
>T. W. Hess
>Comm. member, Troop #42
>Des Moines, Iowa
Exactly! You've got it!! LNT IS a set of guidlines to help you reduce
your recreational impact of the outdoors!!
And it can be used by Scouts, all it takes is teaching, rolemodeling and
getting the Scouts outdoors to try out their skills.
Scoutmaster Troop 533
Greater St. Louis Area Council
A good ol Raven