scouts-l Mail Archive for February of 2000: Re: eagle project snafu
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM
Wed Feb 02 2000 - 22:36:08 CST
> From: Scouts-L Youth Group List [mailto:Scouts-L@listserv.tcu.edu]On
> Behalf Of Fred Heilbrunn
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 3:45 PM
> Why not ask the "sponsor" how much of the project would remain
> incomplete if the Scout had decided to pursue a different
> project? Why not ask him how much the project has cost the
> "sponsor" so far in terms of time and money, labor
> and materials; then challenge him to find a better deal or a
> lower bidder.
I'm sitting here reading all of the responses to this situation and I can't
understand how any of us can come to any sort of conclusions. We don't
have any information.
What we know is that we have a Life Scout who waited until the very last
minute to do an Eagle project. We also know that he had a minimum of six
months in which to do a project, but CHOSE to wait until right before his
18th birthday. So, we know that what we really are likely to have is an
attempt to shift responsibility from the Scout himself to the adults who
might have to deny him the Eagle that he absolutely believes he deserves.
He waits until the last minute and then the adults feel bad and decide to
accept less from this 17.9 year old than they would accept from a 16 year
old. Based on that type of scenario, EVERY Scout should wait until right
before his 18th birthday.
We have absolutely NO idea exactly what the Scout committed to or whether
he actually completed what was agreed to. We do know, apparently, that the
beneficiary of the project is not satisfied with either the quantity or the
quality of the work that was done. Well, as a district advancement
chairman, I certainly don't want the community, religious, or educational
institutions in my community thinking that Scouts are unreliable and don't
do what they commit to. I don't care that they ARE getting the work for
free. WE come to THEM and offer our services. WE have an obligation to
complete the work to their satisfaction. If it is not completed to their
satisfaction, IMO, it is not completed. Period. Now, if it were a
contractor who they believed failed to perform they would withhold payment.
In this case the Eagle can be withheld. I, for one, would most likely not
agree that the project was completed successfully until the Scout and the
beneficiary worked it out. If the Scout, because HE waited until the last
minute to do a project, can't do so before his 18th birthday, then he might
just have learned an object lesson about planning ahead and leaving himself
enough time for plans B, C and D.
Overall, however, I would be very leery of accepting a project in the face
of a direct statement of the beneficiary that it was not completed, but we
don't really have enough facts to make a determination in this particular
Bruce E. Cobern
Founders District, Queens Council, NY