Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Blue Woolrich (tm) Jac-shirts
Blue Woolrich (tm) Jac-shirts
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:48:49 -0600
I'm crossposting this over to Embers because of the topic and interest only.
Some of you know that for the past couple of years, I've been working slowly
with Woolrich, the makers of the BSA's official jac-shirt (these are outer
garments which became famous as the "Philmont Jacket" and later the
"Jamboree jacket" over the years. This is a Scouting Red jacket which the
BSA deems as part of their official uniforming and which insignia is
supposed to go in certain places in accordance with the BSA's Insignia Guide).
Between 1971 and 1979, the BSA offered a jac-shirt for Cub Scouters and
Exploring leaders in royal blue (the same dark shade of blue used for the
Cub Scout uniforms and for Exploring outer garments). This version of the
jac-shirt was a slow-seller and the BSA quickly removed it from the Supply
Division's uniforming offers.
In the meantime, outdoor Exploring took off, and Varsity Scouting started
up. The BSA responded to both by creating special windbreakers which were
not the same as the blue jac-shirts...and ended up dropping them as well.
Today, VERY FEW Scouters even KNEW that the BSA made two versions of the
jac-shirt and while the red one is VERY popular and looks great with the
official uniform, Scouters still wanted an alternative to the red stuff....
which in part started me on my quest.
Today, I talked with one of the design/special orders folks (THE person that
handles and serves as the last word in special orders) at Woolrich. While
he didn't readily apologize for not getting back with me before this, here's
what he DID say with regard to BLUE jac-shirts:
*The minimum for such a special order would be 2000.
*The color would have to be royal blue, because that's the only thing they
have on file as to what the older jac-shirts looked like (however, Bill
Sills and other fellow Sea Scouters, if we can get 2000 orders in DARK BLUE,
I'm sure that our money would talk there too!)
*The cost per jacket would be $35.00, with a ten percent increase for 3 and
4X versions. Four X is as large as they'll make them.
*Because this is NOT a BSA order, but rather a private special order, the
money has to be ponied up (sounds familiar, doesn't it Jessi??) in advance
of them turning their mills on and turning the jackets out.
*and Because it's a special order, it will take about three months to get
them done and sent out.
With ALL of that in mind, I'm polling the list (and anyone else interested!)
with THREE questions. I'll take those three questions ONLY OFF-LIST
(Please, please don't hold up the list with your responses!!!!!!!!!!) and
ONLY if you send your responses to my email address at firstname.lastname@example.org
(PLEASE again, don't respond here!!). I will use all answers and addresses
to compile a private mailing list to let those ONLY interested to know what
the results are and if there's a sizable level of interest, to go ahead and
make the contractual arrangements to order the jac-shirts and to collect
monies or whatever.
I will also graph the results of the three questions on The Tree starting
after the December Holidays at http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/jacshirt.htm
This is a REALLY BIG DEAL for me personally; I would have preferred that
Woolrich handled everything but I can understand their reluctance. I can
also see why the BSA has a Supply Division as well!! *smiling* I'll be
asking Bill Sills additionally to see if perhaps Ships Store would handle
the arrangements and we could all funnel our monies to them and they can
make the order and ship them out for an additional fee.
Personally, the BSA's jac-shirt is $70.00 and they are offering to make
these for $40.00....I wouldn't mind the Ships' Store making $10 or so off
each jac-shirt they sell, if they're willing to do this for us all. (The
Ships' Store is an Sea Scout Ship which has been making special Sea Scouting
items which National doesn't carry or is hard to find along with traditional
Sea Scouting uniforming which National does carry but is very, very
expensive in comparision. I trust them....they've been doing this for about
four or five years...)
Here's the questions and PLEASE once again, RESPOND TO email@example.com
and NOT here on Scouts-L, or on Embers, nor PLEASE don't respond to me at
this address nor my AOL address. The MinnNet account is basically empty so
that I can quickly get a count as to the true interest. Also, please don't
respond YES unless you're REALLY interested in these items....at $40 per
item, we simply don't have that kind of money (very LITTLE in reality!!)
sitting around for 2000 jac-shirts!
Because these jac-shirts will NOT be "official", yes, those living OUTSIDE
the USA or whom are members of other Scouting associations MAY order a
jac-shirt for themselves or others....
1. Are YOU interested in purchasing at least ONE blue jac-shirt if the
price listed is the same or cheaper than the BSA's official red jac-shirt
($72.00) and if we can get a committment from Scouters for 2000 (or more)
2. Would YOU be willing to pay THREE MONTHS in advance to receiving the
jacket at this price?
3. What SIZE would you order and would you order MORE THAN ONE jac-shirt if
there was a special Internet Scouter emblem or patch offered to wear in
connection with this jac-shirt? (the official jac-shirt comes in XS, S, M,
L, XL, XXL, XXXL, and XXXXL.)
Thank you for your attention; I'll post this once again after the holiday
season is over and as the list returns back to "normal"; you are welcome to
crosspost this over to any other forum EXCEPT rec.scouting.usa and
rec.scouting.misc (where I understand such posting is NOT ALLOWED) whereby
interest can be gauged.
Finally, THIS IS NOT!!!!!!! A SOLITICATION FOR MONEY OR FOR ORDERS!!! I AM
ONLY TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS INTEREST IN SUCH AN ITEM.....so please
don't send us any money for a jac-shirt that we may not be able to
obtain....I'll just have to send it back!
Thanks for your attention...and for your patience over all of these months!!
And if you're so inclined, please send a postal card or holiday greeting
card to Woolrich and let them know you appreciate them making this
available...even if we CAN'T get enough folks to commit to purchasing a
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
personal inquiries via firstname.lastname@example.org,
blackeagle@SCOUTER.net or email@example.com
professional inquiries via firstname.lastname@example.org
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