Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Re: donations (2/2) (long)
Re: donations (2/2) (long)
Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:47:38 -0600
Joel wrote as a followup:
>I have been misquoted, I did not say that the council does nothing nor did I
>say I do not give the council money. I do donate, I think that the playing
>field should be leveled to donate to a pack or troop should be as equal to
>donating to council.
Okay. Let's say that the "playing field" is now levelled and that ALL units
are free to now receive an UNLIMITED amount of dough from organizations and
If *I* was the Chartered Organizational Representative, this is what I would do:
- First, recommend that we no longer charter the Scout Troop. After all,
they are using OUR electricity, heat, AC, and parking areas for their
meetings. If the Scouts want to meet at OUR location, they are now going
to have to "cough it up" and pay for the honor.
- Second, I would recommend that we no longer charter the Scout Troop
because we will have lost control of what WE wanted the Troop for in the
first place...to promote my boss' business and her "civic pride." Now, with
the Troop getting "civic pride" from any number of businesses -- and doing a
purty dern good job at it -- why would WE want to charter the Scout Troop??
Let the group that gives them the most money get that right!!
If *I* was the Troop Committee Chair, this is what I would do:
- First, find a committeemember that is into marketing and fundrasing.
No, not the car washing and bake sale kind of fund rasing, but a
PROFESSIONAL FUND RAISER...someone that will "cold call" on at least 12
businesses a day and ask them for a cash or equipment donation to our Troop.
Of course, since we're the BEST Troop in town, we would need to reassert
ourselves as the best by getting the BEST professional fundrasier we can
find...and because this guy or gal won't come cheap, we'll have to pay him
or her from OUR MONIES.
- Second, we have to investigate finding a new meeting place. We've
already been put on notice since now that we can raise an unlimited amount
of money, and since some of us on our Committee have been complaining about
the Council raising "some unGodly amount of money and we don't see where it
all goes", the chartered partner organization has basically said "fine.
Raise your own money but we NOW want rent!" So, we have to find a new place
to meet. Anyplace is good for a while....after all, the Council won't care
WHERE we meet as long as we're meeting!!
- Third, we will have to raise dues. We'll have to tell our parents that
because the Council's Friends of Scouting campaign will no longer "foot the
bill" for training courses and buses for Philmont and the Jamboree, that
each unit will have to fund those things themselves -- or don't participate.
So, we will have to tell each family that has a Scout in our Troop that now
the monthly dues have shot up to $15 a month. That should handle
everything....the activities and all of the badges (because now we have to
purchase them directly from National Supply, and because of the loss of the
buying power that Councils had in purchasing items in "bulk", we have to now
purchase everything at a higher price).
(and to that mother who complained about the $224 Scout Uniform having to
"be lined in gold plate before I would buy it!", remind her that the uniform
USED to only cost $115 complete...and that ball players have to pay for
their own uniforms and shoulder pads....tell her to STOP WHINING!)
- Fourth, we'll have to forget about going to Philmont next year. We can't
afford the $2000 it's going to cost each Scout unless our fundraser dude or
dudette can raise something in the neighborhood of $34,000 ("Hey, wasn't
that our District's Friends of Scouting goal last year??) for us. Even
then, if we could raise the money, it's going to take another massive
convincing of the parents that we need their share of the money like last
week...Philmont won't hold our spaces because they said that's what the
Council used to do...send them a cash deposit to hold the Council's
contingency and then get reimbuised from the fees they charged. Maybe if we
paid someone living there to put our names down and hold it for us...
If *I* was the Scoutmaster of that Troop, here's what I would do:
- First, have every Scout to go out and raise money in any way he can, with
the money going into the Troop's treasury. No Scout can go on any trip or
event whom have not raised any money the previous month. See, the Council
used to pay for such things like Roundtables, training courses for Scouts
and for me, and for other events that basically allowed us to go for free or
for the cost of the materials and food we're going to eat. And they would
pay the huge insurance costs for us....now, they can't afford to even
self-insure themselves so every unit has to pay the share of the cost of
insurance for each event....instead of a camporee costing $5 to 15 for the
patches and teeshirts and whatnots; now we pay $25 to $30 per Scout for the
same event! So...we have to raise that difference....where's the families of
MY Troop going to get that extra money from??
- Second, decide early enough to get OUT of being the Scoutmaster. It was
relatively fun before....we met somewhere, and while the chartered
organization didn't give a kitty about us, we at least had a place to meet
and hang up our stuff.
That was the life. Now, we have to meet in various locations, because the
chartered organization thinks that the Troop has enough money to pay RENT
for the place they meet at, and the Troop's Committee says they're not
paying rent for something they used to get free! Everything now is so
expensive...and my wife's already telling me that I've spent too much on
Scouting this month! To cap it off, there's this guy that the Troop
Committee hired to help us raise money and he doesn't know ANYTHING about
what Scouts are supposed to do or what we aren't supposed to do. He's
worked out this deal whereby our Scouts are going to serve drinks at this
party next week, and to pick up the glasses and beer cans afterwards -- get
this...he says "and we can recycle them too and get mo' money, mo' money,
mo' money!" Things were a LOT better when all I had to worry about was
whether or not kids were hurting themselves or burning down the
building...now, I have to worry about tracking who did and didn't raise cash
and why, and why they can't afford to get to go with us.
That Troop budget we worked out last year was REALLY great....now, it's like
"the money we raise is what we get to spend." And I'm REALLY worried about
what the Troop's Committee chair is doing with that money...are the parents
REALLY getting some idea of what's being spent and why?? And summer camp is
SOO expensive now. Even with us taking our own food, it's still TWICE as
much as before...and they can't hire staff because nobody wants to work for
little pay when McDonalds will hire them for $9 an hour sight unseen!
And I don't have anyone to go to and complain. The District's Executive has
quit because she wasn't paid for almost four months. Can't blame her at
all; the District's Commissioner quit last month because we aren't
supporting the District's camporees and other events anymore...too
expensive. And HALF of my new Scouts aren't even wearing the
uniforms....can't blame them on that, either....the things are too
expensive. The Council at least tried to help us find some old uniforms and
to work out a deal whereby they would buy them and resell them to us for X
amount a month.
And if *I* was a FATHER OF A SCOUT in that Troop, here's what I would do:
- Talk frankly with my son and explain to him, check book in hand, that "I
* Almost $250 for a Scout uniform and everything that goes along with it;
* $175 for monthly dues
* $3000 for your trip to Philmont next summer
when all I make is $27,000 before taxes (the median income this year, I
I will pay for your attendance at the Spring Camporee ($30) and for summer
camp this summer ($310) because we've already had made those decisions last
fall....but I'm afraid everything else is out for this coming year...and
we'll do our best with the uniform thing, but all we can REALLY afford right
now is the shirt ($65). And you'll going to have to wear that shirt more
often than just once a week for your mother and I to get some usage out of
To which Ryan looks back up and says "Dad...I can work for that money.
Don't tell me I can't be a Scout! We were told that we can't go on any more
trips unless we help raise money...so I'm already doing it...it's just hard,
because every other kid in town is doing the same thing for Scouts! Some
have had to quit...."
Then, I will have to break his heart (or challenge him, knowing the children
*I* already have!!) by saying "But son, you're ONLY 12. How can you raise
that kind of money in less than a year?? I'm afriaid you might have to quit
Yep, Joel...our Councils do a LOT for us that we don't even know the HALF
of....and then some. The BSA does a LOT for us that we don't fully
understand. I would contend that not all of the above would happen if we
"opened the floodgates" but I do contend that the organization which has met
the needs of ALL boys would somehow be replaced by an organization meeting
the needs of THOSE BOYS and their families WITH MONEY or access to it.
(and no, this was JUST an illustration.... kinda scary, isn't it though??)
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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