Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: [Fwd: Re: Ed's Web Site]
[Fwd: Re: Ed's Web Site]
Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:10:18 -0600
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:58:29 -0600
From: Thomas Bizzell <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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To: "(MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)"
Subject: Re: Ed's Web Site
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Some other statistic that might be meaningful is how long the kids are
staying in the program.
A longer retention would also have an effect on the numbers. How long
is a scout kept on the registered list after he leaves the program ?
"(MAJ) Mike Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)" wrote:
> Hey Bill!!
> You wrote and suggested:
> >Mike Walton suggested we only look at Cub Scout and Boy Scout numbers,
> >and I initially agreed with him...then I got thinking (a dangerous
> >thing for me to do, and it hurts a lot too!)
> >When was Varsity Scouting started? My understanding, and correct me if I
> >am wrong, is that Varsity Scouting is an 'older boy' program intended
> >to retain Boy Scouts in what is essentially a Boy Scout program.
> >It is also used by the LDS extensively for their
> >boys who were tired of Boy Scouting and they
> >would have started their own program had the BSA not started Varsity
> >Scouting. And that Varsity Scouting is just an extension of Boy Scouting?
> Yep. That's why in my response to Mike Montavo, this is what I suggested the
> "comparative figures" include:
> (from my previous posting to Mike M:)
> The numbers you need to "key in on" are:
> The number of Cub Scouts (Cub Scouts consist of Tiger Cub, Cub Scouts,
> WEBELOS Cub Scouts) and the number of Boy Scouts (Boy Scouts consist of Boy
> Scouts and Varsity Scouts).
> As far as units are concerned, Cub Scout Packs, Boy Scout Troops, and
> Varsity Scout Teams are the three "traditional elements" that you'll be
> looking for comparison upon now and then.
> Those numbers and corresponding units will give you the numbers and
> membership to do a good comparison upon. Cub Scouting (and it's three
> "parts") and Boy Scouting (and it's Varsity "offshoot") are considered the
> two primary "traditional programs" of the BSA. Venturing is also
> considered a "traditional program" but since it also includes females and
> since many Venturing units' membership are also found in Boy or Varsity
> Scouting units, I wouldn't count them in making a comparison over years.
> Also, it makes it hard to do such comparison over years because this is
> really our first year with Venturing; before this, we had Exploring; and
> before 1971 we had a hodgepog of variants which all came under the
> Exploring/Senior Scouting unbrella. Sticking with Cub Scouts and Boy
> Scouts, you have a better chance of doing a good comparison between the
> membership and unit numbers now, and then.
> >I don't know of very many people multipling Varsity Scouts, but
> >there does seem to be good percentage multipling Venturing Scouts this year.
> >So shouldn't we be including Varsity Scouting numbers
> >in any histogram?
> Yep. I do agree that both Boy and Varsity Scouting numbers be included!
> >This is very complex, and just looking at Boy Scout and Cub Scout
> >numbers, IMHO, would be misleading. I am also in agreement that
> >we need to look at the available 'market' and 'market share'
> >in any one year and that percentages of available male youth,
> >may be a better indicator that BSA population totals...
> Maybe, but I would submit that perhaps those numbers from a national
> standpoint would be kinda hard to find....
> (MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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