Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Re: Ed's Web Site
Re: Ed's Web Site
Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:25:51 -0800
Daniel D. Hammond, Sr (hammonddL@USWEST.NET)
Wed, 15 Dec 1999 Wrote:
This is the "temporary" address for Ed Dunn's thoughts on Scouting and
why it's in trouble.
Recently, Ed has been run-down by some members of this list. I can
understand some putting him down based on his posts to the list. I
visited his site, admittedly with more than a little prejudice about
what I would find, and read most of it.
I agree with a lot of what you posted.
I believe that if Ed Dunns charts and writings were up previously when
some of these heated exchanges were going on, they might have been less
I personally do not understand the Chart on the front page of the site
(since it's not labeled) and regard it more as a "header" until Ed
snail mails me the stuff it's derived from and it's labeled properly
with documentation... I *think* it should be labeled "pure Boy Scouts"
- But it's worth noting that the BSA for the National Meeting in
Orlando, FL (May, 1997) reported that there were 925,108 "Boy Scouts".
(See Below Link)...
Some people have dismissed Ed out of hand without considering that they
may be lumping in peripheral programs (such as Explorer, Cubs, Varsity,
etc..) in responding to his data and thoughts.
The writings that go along with Ed's stuff are very interesting.
I think another thing that is confusing is the recent changes in the
Explorer program, Learning for Life, etc... in trying to figure out
- and of course Ed's commentaries on charts about the different program
changes are interesting.
Although I don't have history & "Charts" I do have some figures that
are directly from BSA External Communications Division including last
year's breakdown of "Traditional Programs".
In considering statistics I was reminded recently of the saying:
"There are liars, damn liars & statisticians..."
BSA National hasn't been very clear on this themselves and several
times Greg Shields (Official Scout Spokesman) has mistakenly included
LFL numbers when talking specifically about Boy Scout membership.
I found it interesting to look at the 1998 BSA Annual report while
considering the LFL/Explorer changes and how they were reflected in
It's also interesting to consider how the BSA has changed over the
years and how many different groups/members/participants actually make
up the "Boy Scouts" & "Learning for Life" and how they've moved around.
I do know that the official figures given to me directly by the BSA
reflected the following numbers for "Traditional Programs" and that
only approximately 1/3 of the youth figures are made up of "Boy
Scouts", the rest are Tiger, Cub, Webelos...
1998 Units 121,948 Youth 3,383,147
1997 Units 119,704 Youth 3,341,562
1996 Units 128,937 Youth 3,517,817
I'll try to look at the breakdown of what constitutes "Traditional
Programs" and numbers (whose breakdown was included) tommorrow in the
document that BSA External sent me.
My question would be, was the number of true "Boy Scouts" more than
double the current amount at it's peak?
Then the cover chart would make sense...
I think it's important to look at the BSA program in the light of what
it was, program changes and what it has become.
There's a lot of food for thought.
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