Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Re: Changing Troop to District
Re: Changing Troop to District
Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:21:10 -0600
Hey Henry...you posted a GREAT question; actually, two questions:
>When someone goes from a Boy Scout Troop position, in my case, Assistant
>Scoutmaster, to a District position, again in my case, Member-at-large,
>what exactly changes in the patches and scout shirt??? I know that the
>epaulets change, but is there something else that needs to be
Let's say that you're now going to serve as the District's Webmaster, since
your followup asked about the emblem for such an office. More on that later.
If you are going to be PRIMARILY a District volunteer (in other words, your
PRIMARY registration will change from that of Scoutmaster, Troop 000 to West
District Webmaster), you will need to REMOVE:
*your Troop number and unit veteran bar (left shoulder, positions two and
*your Badge of Responsibility (the Scoutmaster's Badge of office, position
*and your TRAINED strip (position three-a, again on the left shoulder)
Additionally, you will need to remove:
*the Quality Unit emblem from the right shoulder, position three
*and the red shoulder loops
You MAY wish to remove (but you don't HAVE to):
*your unit's neckerchief with the District, Council or Wood Badge (if you
hold the Wood Badge) neckerchief and slide (woggle)
*any temporary insignia associated or earned within the unit.
You are going to SEW or ATTACH:
*Your new Badge of Responsibility (see note below in answering your
question) on the left shoulder, position three (there should be one inch
between the lower edge of your Council's shoulder strip (CSP) and the upper
edge of your new badge of office or responsibility
*silver (grey) shoulder loops
You MAY wish to also sew or attach (but you don't HAVE to):
*your District's emblem as a TEMPORARY emblem (that's the only OFFICIAL
place it belongs, Henry....no matter what those "old timers" tell you
otherwise!) centered on the right pocket of your uniform
>And also, is there such a patch as Webmaster or District
District volunteers assigned duties as Webmaster may wear, IF YOUR COUNCIL
SCOUT EXECUTIVE APPROVES IT, the unofficial Webmaster emblem which is sold
through 1-800-SCOUTER. There's a scan of the emblem located on my
Unofficial Uniform and Insignia site, so you can see what it looks like.
This emblem is appropriate for wear by a Webmaster at the Council, District
or unit level IF APPROVED BY YOUR COUNCIL'S EXECUTIVE. The "buck stops"
with him or her. If the Council Scout Executive of YOUR COUNCIL (and he or
she is the ONLY authority....not some "volunteer"!) says "No," that's it.
You can't wear it as a Badge of Responsibility. You CAN wear it, however,
as a temporary emblem on the right pocket if you choose to do so.
District volunteers are either members of the District's (operating)
Committee or as a member of the District's Commissioners' Staff. If you are
registered as a District committeemember, you should wear the District
Committee emblem in the place of your old Scoutmaster's emblem for proper
uniforming. If you are registered as a Commissioner, you wear the
appropriate Commissioner's badge of responsibility instead of your
Scoutmaster's emblem. Again if your Council's Scout Executive has approved
it, you may wear the Webmaster emblem because that is the role you will be
Remember when I asked above if your PRIMARY ROLE will be at the District
level?? Well, there are LOTS of us whom are still serving as Scoutmaster or
Cubmaster or Advisor or Coach AND are serving on the District or Council
level too....what do we do?? Well....the official Uniform Guide isn't so
clear on that one, Henry. But a good degree of "Scouter Sense" tells me:
*If you're constantly going to be doing two roles (for instance, serving as
a Troop Commissioner and as Scoutmaster (not recommended, but hey...we've
all done similiar-type roles before!!), you should really invest in TWO
shirts and wear the appropriate insignia and devices on each shirt
correponding to the position you hold. In other words, you'll have a
Scoutmaster shirt and a Commissioner shirt. This presents the best
appearance in both positions.
*If you REALLY cannot afford two shirts (or if you have a slightly demented
slant to living *heheheehehehee*), you CAN wear insignia representing your
CURRENT STATUS IN THE MOVEMENT in this way:
*wearing the silver (grey) shoulder loops while serving on your
District/Council role and wearing your red shoulder loops while doing the
Troop role. One "trick" I've used is that when I'm wearing the silver
loops, I "hide" the red ones inside the silver ones so that when I go back
to being a unit Scouter again, I turn the loops inside out.
*I wear ONE position emblem -- I choose whether Scoutmaster or District
Committee is the one which is going to be sewn on, and that's the one I
wear. I've worn a Council Committee emblem along with my unit numbers as
Of course, until I completed the Council's orientation training, in the
District I was in, I wasn't considered trained and therefore I couldn't wear
the "Trained strip" below the Council Committee patch -- even though I'm a
And one of my considerations while serving as both District Commissioner and
as Scoutmaster, was that I had to wear the District Commissioner's patch if
I wanted to wear the Commissioner Arrowhead Honor emblem and Trained
emblem....I couldn't wear the Arrowhead with the Scoutmaster emblem in order
to have "proper uniforming."
*I wore the Wood Badge neckerchief anytime I did District or Council
programming or activities; and at unit activities, I wore the unit's
neckerchief or no neckerchief at all.
*I wore the Quality District emblem instead of the Quality Unit emblem,
because naturally, in order for a district to be honored as a Quality
District, a certain percentage of its units must also qualify as Quality Units.
Eventually, the stressors of "remembering what goes where" got the best of
me and I ended up with two shirts (actually, more than that.....*smiling*).
Hope all of this helps out, Henry....and thanks for asking!! Great
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (settummanque, the blackeagle)
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