Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Re: Refusing a SM Conference CAN YOU??
Re: Refusing a SM Conference CAN YOU??
Bruce E. Cobern
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:27:28 -0500
> From: Scouts-L Youth Group List [mailto:Scouts-L@listserv.tcu.edu]On
> Behalf Of Mike Mc Abee
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 6:23 AM
> I am the first to admit that I have been out of touch w/
> troop level admin for a > while now, BUT "my memories"
> tell me that Show Scout spirit and Live the Scout
> Oath and Law in Daily Life were two separate entries on the
> Scouts score card.
I don't ever recall them being separate. It is only recently, within
the last 5 years or so, that national has clarified the "Scout Spirit"
requirement by specifically defining it as living the Oath and Law in
your daily life. IIRC that was done specifically to prevent units from
using the SS requirement as a way to set up arbitrary barriers like
"attend 80% of troop meetings" in order to advance. It is designed to
force the SM to look at a broader view of the Scout's life and not to
focus JUST on his Scouting involvement, even though that is what he
> Moreover, I' personally have never heard of an SM using
> "Scout Spirit" to hold a Scout back from advancement.
Unfortunately, it happens too often. SS is really the only "tool" the
SM can use when he doesn't feel a Scout is ready to advance.
> I stated before that I can see no reason for a SM to
> refuse a conference to any Scout - to do so denies the
> Scout of needed info; but neither do I feel that a troop
> committee (or district/council for that matter) has the right to
> overrule the SM.
But that is now how Scouting sees it. The Advancement Guidelines
provide, and have for a long time, a specific procedure for the appeal
by a Scout of a refusal by a SM to certify him for a BoR, of the
committee's refusal to hold a board, or of his failing to pass a board.
In the first instance the appeal is specifically to the committee, in
the last two instances it is to the district advancement committee.
Surely, the committee should try to resolve the situation short of
"overruling" the SM, because everyone is SUPPOSED to be on the same
page, but, if push comes to shove, they have the authority to overrule
the SM and conduct the BoR.
Bruce E. Cobern
Founders District, Queens Council, NY