Scouts-L Mail Archive for December of 1999: Re: Refusing a SM Conference CAN YOU??
Re: Refusing a SM Conference CAN YOU??
Mike Mc Abee
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 06:23:12 EST
> Joe replied in part:
>This "scout spirit" issue is always a difficult one, since many leaders try
>to make this a "catch all" requirement to hold back scouts that they feel
>are "not ready" for any reason. Remember - the requirement is to show scout
>spirit by following the scout oath and law in your daily life. It is not
>supposed to be used to measure attendance, helping the troop, etc. In
>checking this requirement, we are supposed to look at what the boys do
>***OUTSIDE*** of scouting (i.e., "in your daily life").
I am the first to admit that I have been out of touch w/ troop level
admin for a
while now, BUT "my memories" tell me that Show Scout spirit and Live the Scout
Oath and Law in Daily Life were two separate entries on the Scouts score card.
Moreover, I' personally have never heard of an SM using "Scout Spirit" to
Scout back from advancement.
I would also disagree that showing Scout Spirit is a difficult one to
you can not separate the Scout and Scout Spirit from the troop anymore than
can separate the oath or law. It is ridiculous to say that Scout Spirit is
only OUTSIDE scouting - is that where he learns it!
Both have to judged in context and quite normally this will involve
a boys parents as well as the troop observations available to a SM.
I stated before that I can see no reason for a SM to refuse a conference
Scout - to do so denies the Scout of needed info; but neither do I feel that
committee (or district/coufor that matter) has the right to overrule the SM.
Only in very few and very lucky units are you likely to have committee
informed as a SM about the boys in the unit.
In forty years of Scouting I've been in both sets of ciircumstances and
I've seen instances where the committee had to get involved between
Scoutmasters and youths; on every occasion it was a personality issue and
much more serious than "mere" advancement.
I know I'm a Scout dinosaur and freely admit that I have serious problems
w/ many feature of the "modern" Scout program but I do agree that a
Scoutmaster needs a strong committee and it is there responsibility to ensure
they have a strong